Tortured Logic: Cheney Says It’s All Greek To Me?

Violation of the bovine restrictions in the Geneva Conventions by using a minotaur for "enhanced interrogation" in an unnavigable labyrinth? 

Say it ain’t so.

Apparently Dick Cheney really wanted a griffin for the interrogator job, but he was too flighty.

Ahhhhh, The Onion.

Bless them for taking our policies and media to the extremes.  And, in the process, making it crystal clear how far we’ve really gone over the edge of the cliff.

Eugene Robinson lays it flat out:

For the Bush administration, torture was a delicate business. The aim was to injure but not incapacitate — to inflict precisely enough pain and terror to break a subject’s will, but no more. To calibrate the proper degree of abuse, the torturer needed an accurate sense of how much agony the subject’s mind and body can tolerate.

In the administration’s program of "enhanced interrogation," this expertise was provided by doctors and psychologists — professionals who are supposed to heal and comfort. A new report by Physicians for Human Rights assembles the evidence and reaches a sickening but inescapable conclusion: "Health professionals played central roles in developing, implementing and providing justification for torture."

Dwell on that for a moment, especially if you believe that the Bush administration’s decision to submit terrorism suspects to medieval interrogation practices was somehow justifiable — or even if you believe that torture was wrong, but that now we should "look forward" and pretend it never happened. This is how torture warps a society and distorts its values.

You tell me something that intricate and meticulously planned was just a few isolated incidents of rogue folks with no orders from the top of the chain of command.  Or that we all don’t shoulder some of the responsibility for it happening in our names. 

Or that there wasn’t a concerted effort to hide what we were doing because people knew it skirted legality.

Or that conduct like this helps the US instead of creating a more robust recruiting poster for the people we claim to be fighting against…all the while becoming them.  

We have traded our liberty and our long-standing fight for human rights around the world for the deliberately hyped illusion of a little safety.

And we have forfeited our souls in the process. 

 
9 Responses to "Tortured Logic: Cheney Says It’s All Greek To Me?"
Christy Hardin Smith | Friday September 4, 2009 05:25 am 1

Morning all. Do yourselves a favor and watch the video….


msmolly | Friday September 4, 2009 06:32 am 2

It will have to wait until I’m not at work, unfortunately.

Good morning, Christy! TGIF and a long weekend with family coming in. I need something to take my mind off health care and torture. Maybe taking my granddaughters to the zoo will help.


demi | Friday September 4, 2009 06:34 am 3

Good Morning, Christy
Oh, thank you so much for that clip! So many quotable in that. The minotaur’s spine pile. It’s just too too funny. I needed that on this Friday after a long hard week.
BTW, it’s the first morning I woke up to smokeless air. Yay!
You are a gem and I appreciate all you do here. So,

http://www.flowers.vg/garden/flowers.htm


Christy Hardin Smith | Friday September 4, 2009 06:40 am 4
In response to msmolly @ 2

I highly recommend the zoo for a pick-me-up. We took The Peanut to the Pittsburgh zoo the day before I had to go to Netroots and had a blast all day long there.


Christy Hardin Smith | Friday September 4, 2009 06:41 am 5
In response to demi @ 3

That video cracked me up. Knew everyone else could use the giggle, too…


JimWhite | Friday September 4, 2009 06:48 am 6

Thanks for the video, Christy.

“We could have used griffins, but we didn’t. That’s what separates us from them.”

LMAO!


Christy Hardin Smith | Friday September 4, 2009 06:52 am 7
In response to JimWhite @ 6

It really does nicely highlight the full extent of ludicrosity on all of this, doesn’t it? I had such a belly laugh with Mr. ReddHedd this morning on various mythical creatures and alternate possibilities.

“They could have used a harpy, but John Ashcroft was too offended by her exposed breasts and she refused to interrogate while wearing a drapery.”


ybnormal | Friday September 4, 2009 07:31 am 8

That’s a great video.
I have another video, which I apologize in advance for it being “shocking” rather than funny, this early in the morning. Stanley Milgram on torture.

In the early 1960’s at Harvard, psychologist Stanley Milgram, the son of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany, wanted to know what would cause people to willingly commit attrocities. So he designed a torture experiment to find out.

What did he find? What kind of depraved lunatic mind would willingly administer lethal electric shocks to helpless victims? The “shocking” result was that in fact, a MAJORITY of us normal folks would – as long as there is an authority directing us to do it. That’s right folks – regular Joe’s just like you and me!

This is precisely why investigations into torture have to go up the chain of command; all the way up to the authority that ordered it in the first place. Otherwise they are useless.


MrWhy | Friday September 4, 2009 08:48 am 9

The Obama administration has released some photos of these etchings, which were found carved in the labyrinth walls.

The Obama administration is still withholding hundreds of photos of even more graphic etchings.

Now you want to tie the hands and hooves of our interrogators even further?

I thought minotaurs were used largely because they couldn’t be effectively bound by chains.


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