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	<title>Comments on: Health Care:  Making Waves On Women&#8217;s Reproductive Health And Choice</title>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/27/health-care-making-waves-on-womens-reproductive-health-and-choice/#comment-18609</link>
		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ah, i see. thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s the italics — I have a hitch in my blog code that hiccups with italics or bolding for some weird reason.  If you refresh your screen, it’s there — you just have to refresh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s the italics — I have a hitch in my blog code that hiccups with italics or bolding for some weird reason.  If you refresh your screen, it’s there — you just have to refresh.</p>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
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		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;apparently it’s something else about my comment that’s not getting through. oh well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apparently it’s something else about my comment that’s not getting through. oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
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		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[that was interesting, is there a limit on comment length? continuing…]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and this —&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I’ve said this before: that choice is between you, your partner, your family and friends, your doctors and whatever conversation you choose to have with God. And it is no one else’s business. Because no one else can possibly know all the variables in your individual situation.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m with you on the &lt;em&gt;it is no one else’s business&lt;/em&gt;, so why the family, friends, partner, and god? the doctor needs to be available for medical advice, and for performing any procedures, but the rest of the people can butt out unless the woman specifically wants their help, advice, input, or support. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we need to change the conversation so that it is NOT the norm to expect women to need or want the input of all these other actors. fine and good and totally legitimate if a woman wants to look to others for help, in which case they need to step up and provide that help and society needs to expect them to &lt;em&gt;if they are asked to&lt;/em&gt;, but we need to undo the default societal assumption that women are somehow incapable of making this decision on their own.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[that was interesting, is there a limit on comment length? continuing…]</p>
<p>and this —</p>
<p><em>I’ve said this before: that choice is between you, your partner, your family and friends, your doctors and whatever conversation you choose to have with God. And it is no one else’s business. Because no one else can possibly know all the variables in your individual situation.</em></p>
<p>i’m with you on the <em>it is no one else’s business</em>, so why the family, friends, partner, and god? the doctor needs to be available for medical advice, and for performing any procedures, but the rest of the people can butt out unless the woman specifically wants their help, advice, input, or support. </p>
<p>we need to change the conversation so that it is NOT the norm to expect women to need or want the input of all these other actors. fine and good and totally legitimate if a woman wants to look to others for help, in which case they need to step up and provide that help and society needs to expect them to <em>if they are asked to</em>, but we need to undo the default societal assumption that women are somehow incapable of making this decision on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
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		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i like that you tried to nail them down on  the questions they wanted to evade. thanks for doing that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but i take issue with this —&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I’ve written about that a lot — no one I have ever met is pro-abortion, even the most strident pro-choice folks that I know. What they recognize is the reality of the world in which we live: sometimes, you face an incredibly wrenching, difficult and heartbreaking choice for which there is no one right answer, but a whole lot of really tough questions that can only be resolved on an individual basis.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;count me firmly in the pro-abortion camp. it’s just another medical procedure, and it needs to be safe, legal, affordable [well, *i* think it should be taxpayer-funded and completely free], widely available [in hospitals, not off in some shabby building on the edge of town, where the women, and the medical staff, are vulnerable to bomb-throwing, gun-toting outlaws], and common enough that any woman who wants an abortion [for whatever reason] lives within a reasonable distance of a practitioner who’s got up-to-date skills [you would expect no less if you needed heart surgery].&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and what’s with all this handwringing? incredibly wrenching, difficult, and heartbreaking? puh-leeze. yes, if it’s discovered late in a wanted pregnancy that something is terribly wrong, you’re right, it’s an emotionally-fraught decision.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the overwhelming majority of abortions are first-trimester, and they are the backup for when the primary method of birth control failed. yes, for some women this is still an emotionally difficult decision, and this too is perfectly legitimate. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but for many women the only guilt and angst they feel is over the fact that they DON’T feel guilt and angst over ending a pregnancy that they were explicitly trying to prevent in the first place. they DON’T feel like they’re ‘killing their baby’. what they feel is relief. meanwhile, the society they live in, including their sisters in reproductive freedom, continue to insist [or subtly suggest] that the only normal and correct feelings are the emotionally wrenching ones.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;either one, or a mixture of both, is perfectly legitimate and common and ordinary and acceptable, and we need to make this a part of the conversation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and this —&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I’ve said this before: that choice is between you, your partner, your family and friends, your doctors and whatever conversation you choose to have with God. And it is no one else’s business. Because no one else can possibly know all the variables in your individual situation.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m with you on the &lt;em&gt;it is no one else’s business&lt;/em&gt;, so why the family, friends, partner, and god? the doctor needs to be available for medical advice, and for performing any procedures, but the rest of the people can butt out unless the woman specifically wants their help, advice, input, or support. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we need to change the conversation so that it is NOT the norm to expect women to need or want the input of all these other actors. fine and good and totally legitimate if a woman wants to look to others for help, in which case they need to step up and provide that help and society needs to expect them to &lt;em&gt;if they are asked to&lt;/em&gt;, but we need to undo the default societal assumption that women are somehow incapable of making this decision on their own.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like that you tried to nail them down on  the questions they wanted to evade. thanks for doing that.</p>
<p>but i take issue with this —</p>
<p><em>I’ve written about that a lot — no one I have ever met is pro-abortion, even the most strident pro-choice folks that I know. What they recognize is the reality of the world in which we live: sometimes, you face an incredibly wrenching, difficult and heartbreaking choice for which there is no one right answer, but a whole lot of really tough questions that can only be resolved on an individual basis.</em></p>
<p>count me firmly in the pro-abortion camp. it’s just another medical procedure, and it needs to be safe, legal, affordable [well, *i* think it should be taxpayer-funded and completely free], widely available [in hospitals, not off in some shabby building on the edge of town, where the women, and the medical staff, are vulnerable to bomb-throwing, gun-toting outlaws], and common enough that any woman who wants an abortion [for whatever reason] lives within a reasonable distance of a practitioner who’s got up-to-date skills [you would expect no less if you needed heart surgery].</p>
<p>and what’s with all this handwringing? incredibly wrenching, difficult, and heartbreaking? puh-leeze. yes, if it’s discovered late in a wanted pregnancy that something is terribly wrong, you’re right, it’s an emotionally-fraught decision.</p>
<p>the overwhelming majority of abortions are first-trimester, and they are the backup for when the primary method of birth control failed. yes, for some women this is still an emotionally difficult decision, and this too is perfectly legitimate. </p>
<p>but for many women the only guilt and angst they feel is over the fact that they DON’T feel guilt and angst over ending a pregnancy that they were explicitly trying to prevent in the first place. they DON’T feel like they’re ‘killing their baby’. what they feel is relief. meanwhile, the society they live in, including their sisters in reproductive freedom, continue to insist [or subtly suggest] that the only normal and correct feelings are the emotionally wrenching ones.</p>
<p>either one, or a mixture of both, is perfectly legitimate and common and ordinary and acceptable, and we need to make this a part of the conversation.</p>
<p>and this —</p>
<p><em>I’ve said this before: that choice is between you, your partner, your family and friends, your doctors and whatever conversation you choose to have with God. And it is no one else’s business. Because no one else can possibly know all the variables in your individual situation.</em></p>
<p>i’m with you on the <em>it is no one else’s business</em>, so why the family, friends, partner, and god? the doctor needs to be available for medical advice, and for performing any procedures, but the rest of the people can butt out unless the woman specifically wants their help, advice, input, or support. </p>
<p>we need to change the conversation so that it is NOT the norm to expect women to need or want the input of all these other actors. fine and good and totally legitimate if a woman wants to look to others for help, in which case they need to step up and provide that help and society needs to expect them to <em>if they are asked to</em>, but we need to undo the default societal assumption that women are somehow incapable of making this decision on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: babalula</title>
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		<dc:creator>babalula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sen. Colburn made a really clever comment a few days ago at his town meeting. A tearful woman in his constituency made a plea for help for a family member who needed serious care, costing serious money and help was not forthcoming from her health care provider. The senator’s response was… Yea, we’ll help. We’ll see what we can do through our office. He went on to say… we need to act as neighbors. Help people who need our help. Now doesn’t that sound nice? He even got a nice round of applause. So Colburn’s solution is what… this lady’s supposed to take up a collection, plead her case in the Merchandiser or put up a 3” x 5” card asking for contributions in the laundry mat. What about the guy sitting three chairs to her right whose wife just had a stroke and needs constant care and he hasn’t been able to afford health insurance since he lost his job last year. Should he try for a 5” X 7” card at the Giant, or just go door to door? Senator Colburn went on to say towards the end of his answer… those who think government is the answer are inaccurate. Now I’m confused… didn’t he say initially that… he’d get involved/ we’ll see what we can do through his office? Yoo-hoo… Senator… you are the government. You can help this woman not because you’re Tommy Colburn who works at the Dairy Queen cross-town but because you’re Tom Colburn a United States Senator. You are, unfortunately, an influential government official who can use the power of the federal government to pressure change for this woman. Senator please, try to make sense and try, occasionally, to tell the truth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sen. Colburn made a really clever comment a few days ago at his town meeting. A tearful woman in his constituency made a plea for help for a family member who needed serious care, costing serious money and help was not forthcoming from her health care provider. The senator’s response was… Yea, we’ll help. We’ll see what we can do through our office. He went on to say… we need to act as neighbors. Help people who need our help. Now doesn’t that sound nice? He even got a nice round of applause. So Colburn’s solution is what… this lady’s supposed to take up a collection, plead her case in the Merchandiser or put up a 3” x 5” card asking for contributions in the laundry mat. What about the guy sitting three chairs to her right whose wife just had a stroke and needs constant care and he hasn’t been able to afford health insurance since he lost his job last year. Should he try for a 5” X 7” card at the Giant, or just go door to door? Senator Colburn went on to say towards the end of his answer… those who think government is the answer are inaccurate. Now I’m confused… didn’t he say initially that… he’d get involved/ we’ll see what we can do through his office? Yoo-hoo… Senator… you are the government. You can help this woman not because you’re Tommy Colburn who works at the Dairy Queen cross-town but because you’re Tom Colburn a United States Senator. You are, unfortunately, an influential government official who can use the power of the federal government to pressure change for this woman. Senator please, try to make sense and try, occasionally, to tell the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Funnydiva2002</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funnydiva2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this, Christy&lt;br /&gt;
I just sent Rachel Maddow an email linking to your post and encouraging her to get a clarification from Ms Tchen.  I said it’s time to call out the WH on how which voices it’s selecting and silencing in this debate.&lt;br /&gt;
FunnyWheelieDiva&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Christy<br />
I just sent Rachel Maddow an email linking to your post and encouraging her to get a clarification from Ms Tchen.  I said it’s time to call out the WH on how which voices it’s selecting and silencing in this debate.<br />
FunnyWheelieDiva</p>
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		<title>By: Funnydiva2002</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funnydiva2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And ironing your husband’s shirts.&lt;br /&gt;
Feh.&lt;br /&gt;
FWDiva&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And ironing your husband’s shirts.<br />
Feh.<br />
FWDiva</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rahm has turned out to be Karl Rove with a head of hair.  The best thing Mr. Obama could do for his administration would be for him to fire Emanuel.  Or would Mr. Obama consider that to be like JFK firing Bobby?  In which case, 2012 will be an interesting election for more than just Congresscritters.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahm has turned out to be Karl Rove with a head of hair.  The best thing Mr. Obama could do for his administration would be for him to fire Emanuel.  Or would Mr. Obama consider that to be like JFK firing Bobby?  In which case, 2012 will be an interesting election for more than just Congresscritters.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sheesh, I would say &lt;strong&gt;WEAR&lt;/strong&gt; a gun to the next conference call –and shoot the phone!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh, I would say <strong>WEAR</strong> a gun to the next conference call –and shoot the phone!!</p>
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