Comments on: How The Media Enables And Amplifies The Crazy http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/ Dip your toe in the legal waters and change politics as you know it. http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:06:02 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: selise http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17985 selise Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:37:07 +0000 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17985 <p>hi back at ya letsgetitdone. i don’t know, but none of the public options now on the table look viable to me (more like a dumping ground for the sickest, most expensive people). if there is any po worth supporting, i wish someone would point it out to me.</p> hi back at ya letsgetitdone. i don’t know, but none of the public options now on the table look viable to me (more like a dumping ground for the sickest, most expensive people). if there is any po worth supporting, i wish someone would point it out to me.

]]> By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17984 readerOfTeaLeaves Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:44:10 +0000 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17984 <p>Well, I don’t have the time to record how many ‘guests’ on the teevee shows are NOT doctors, but it occurred to me that medical professionals are about 1% of the guests on any of the news shows.</p> <p>If it weren’t for the occasional appearance of Howard Dean, plus one interview of the head of the AMA (I think by Ed Schultz), and an interview or two by CNN, there would be no medical professionals on the teevee.</p> <p>But lots and lots of ‘angry citizens’.<br /> Brain dead politics.</p> Well, I don’t have the time to record how many ‘guests’ on the teevee shows are NOT doctors, but it occurred to me that medical professionals are about 1% of the guests on any of the news shows.

If it weren’t for the occasional appearance of Howard Dean, plus one interview of the head of the AMA (I think by Ed Schultz), and an interview or two by CNN, there would be no medical professionals on the teevee.

But lots and lots of ‘angry citizens’.
Brain dead politics.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17983 letsgetitdone Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:23:43 +0000 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17983 <p>Hi Ya selise, Maybe they’ll see it as a mistake when Obama takes the PO off the table and they get to have coops instead. Coming soon to a theater near you.</p> Hi Ya selise, Maybe they’ll see it as a mistake when Obama takes the PO off the table and they get to have coops instead. Coming soon to a theater near you.

]]> By: RevBev http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17982 RevBev Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:30:28 +0000 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17982 <p>Part of what made the Friday night Moyers’ piece so story was the damning of the press, its distorted coverage of the health care news. Specifically, making the town hall meeting with crazy claims the story. By, therefore, not getting the information and the issues out to the public for discussion & evaluation. Making the outbursts the assessmnt for how Obama is doing. And never getting out his point that not doing reform is the way to economic trouble; that good reform/solving many of the coverage, or lack, issues actually is good economics. Much blame of the press in direct, indicting language.</p> Part of what made the Friday night Moyers’ piece so story was the damning of the press, its distorted coverage of the health care news. Specifically, making the town hall meeting with crazy claims the story. By, therefore, not getting the information and the issues out to the public for discussion & evaluation. Making the outbursts the assessmnt for how Obama is doing. And never getting out his point that not doing reform is the way to economic trouble; that good reform/solving many of the coverage, or lack, issues actually is good economics. Much blame of the press in direct, indicting language.

]]> By: MrWhy http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17981 MrWhy Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:24:16 +0000 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17981 <p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/valerie-jarrett-speaks-to-fdl/" rel="nofollow">Mike Stark talked to Valerie Jarrett at lunch yesterday</a> about the public option, and she said the President still supports it, you just have to ask him.</p> Mike Stark talked to Valerie Jarrett at lunch yesterday about the public option, and she said the President still supports it, you just have to ask him.

]]> By: chetnolian http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17980 chetnolian Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:39:59 +0000 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17980 <p>I thought I would give you a little vignette of how healthcare works in the dreaded Brtitish NHS in which we all pay the Government in accordance with salary in case we get ill.</p> <p>On Sunday a close friend, early 60s, collapses at home. His wife calls the ambulance.</p> <p>The ambulence arrives in under twenty minutes, the paramedics stabilise him as he’s quite poorly.</p> <p>Monday in high-tech ITU doing tests, confirm probably heart attack.</p> <p>Tuesday CT scan</p> <p>Wednesday off to another town by ambulance to a hospital with angiogram/ angioplasty facilities.</p> <p>Thusday angiogram, followed immediately by angioplasty and insertion of two stents.</p> <p>He comes home tomorrow with his medication plan and physical rehabilitation plan in place (it will be free).</p> <p>No fees, no decisions on care save by medical professionals, no concern for him or his wife about future bills, whether the care plan will pay out in full, etc. If that’s failure I would sure like to know how you define success.</p> I thought I would give you a little vignette of how healthcare works in the dreaded Brtitish NHS in which we all pay the Government in accordance with salary in case we get ill.

On Sunday a close friend, early 60s, collapses at home. His wife calls the ambulance.

The ambulence arrives in under twenty minutes, the paramedics stabilise him as he’s quite poorly.

Monday in high-tech ITU doing tests, confirm probably heart attack.

Tuesday CT scan

Wednesday off to another town by ambulance to a hospital with angiogram/ angioplasty facilities.

Thusday angiogram, followed immediately by angioplasty and insertion of two stents.

He comes home tomorrow with his medication plan and physical rehabilitation plan in place (it will be free).

No fees, no decisions on care save by medical professionals, no concern for him or his wife about future bills, whether the care plan will pay out in full, etc. If that’s failure I would sure like to know how you define success.

]]> By: selise http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17979 selise Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:14:27 +0000 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17979 <p>hey che, always good to see your comments. i agree with everything you’ve written and will just a bit re:</p> <blockquote><p>I tend to agree that there has been no substantive debate or even discussion of “Health Care Reform” — in public. It’s all been going on behind the scenes, and as far as I can tell, the basic formula for what’s going to happen was all worked out months ago.</p></blockquote> <p>i expected that from the politicians in dc, but i didn’t expect progressive blogs and organizations like moveon to be in on the top down decision making with the dem leadership — at least not without ever making the case to the rest of us to justify their decision to take off the table the one policy that most progressives support (silly me). forty million dollars is a lot of money, but still….</p> <p>anyway, if you want some background (very abbreviated) on my pov, see for example my comments in these threads: <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/13/health-care-or-off-shore-drilling-you-decide/" rel="nofollow"><strong>here</strong></a>, <a href="http://www.openleft.com/diary/13638/ej-dionne-gets-it-wrong" rel="nofollow"><strong>here</strong></a>, <a href="http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6416" rel="nofollow"><strong>here</strong></a>, <a href="http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/victory-sort-of/" rel="nofollow"><strong>here</strong></a>, <a href="http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/how-do-hr-676-supporters-plan-to-get-15-blue-dogs-on-board/" rel="nofollow"><strong>here</strong></a> and <a href="http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7088" rel="nofollow"><strong>here</strong></a>. and <a href="http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6145" rel="nofollow"><strong>this</strong></a> kind of thing just pisses me off.</p> <p>everyone makes mistakes, and if that’s all it was i’d be ok with it. everyone screws up, welcome to the human race. best we can do is live and learn. but there is no sign that the people who made the decision to take single payer off the table see that decision or how it was made as a mistake (hence the triangulation, and i guess not calling howard dean on his lies, etc). so i don’t know where we go from here. like i wrote above, suggestions welcome.</p> <p>p.s. have you been reading kip sullivan’s posts at pnhp? the very best, by far, analysis i’ve seen anywhere. not to be missed.</p> hey che, always good to see your comments. i agree with everything you’ve written and will just a bit re:

I tend to agree that there has been no substantive debate or even discussion of “Health Care Reform” — in public. It’s all been going on behind the scenes, and as far as I can tell, the basic formula for what’s going to happen was all worked out months ago.

i expected that from the politicians in dc, but i didn’t expect progressive blogs and organizations like moveon to be in on the top down decision making with the dem leadership — at least not without ever making the case to the rest of us to justify their decision to take off the table the one policy that most progressives support (silly me). forty million dollars is a lot of money, but still….

anyway, if you want some background (very abbreviated) on my pov, see for example my comments in these threads: here, here, here, here, here and here. and this kind of thing just pisses me off.

everyone makes mistakes, and if that’s all it was i’d be ok with it. everyone screws up, welcome to the human race. best we can do is live and learn. but there is no sign that the people who made the decision to take single payer off the table see that decision or how it was made as a mistake (hence the triangulation, and i guess not calling howard dean on his lies, etc). so i don’t know where we go from here. like i wrote above, suggestions welcome.

p.s. have you been reading kip sullivan’s posts at pnhp? the very best, by far, analysis i’ve seen anywhere. not to be missed.

]]> By: Bluetoe2 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17978 Bluetoe2 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:16:10 +0000 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17978 <p>Most countries with time mature. In the U.S., thanks largely to the corporate media with time the nation becomes more infantile.</p> Most countries with time mature. In the U.S., thanks largely to the corporate media with time the nation becomes more infantile.

]]> By: Bobster33 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17977 Bobster33 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:37:34 +0000 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17977 <p>It needs to be more than just us liberals talking about this. But I’m stumped as to how to move that conversation forward in a meaningful way. Thoughts?</p> <p>Humor and factual gut responses will move the conversation forward. </p> <p>Jon Stewart, Lewis Black, Bill Maher have all done great work at mocking the right. I think that the tea baggers have their tin foil hats tuned to crazy.</p> <p>As to gutural factuar responses, the left needs to fill in the blanks with phrases like, We have the best healthcare in the world IF YOU ARE A MILLIONAIRE.<br /> I don’t want a beaurocrat between a doctor and a patient. SO YOU SUPPORT MANDATING INSURANCE COMPANIES PAY FOR ALL DOCTOR SUPPORTED PROCEDURES?<br /> DEATH PANELS EXIST, ITS CALLED PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES.</p> It needs to be more than just us liberals talking about this. But I’m stumped as to how to move that conversation forward in a meaningful way. Thoughts?

Humor and factual gut responses will move the conversation forward.

Jon Stewart, Lewis Black, Bill Maher have all done great work at mocking the right. I think that the tea baggers have their tin foil hats tuned to crazy.

As to gutural factuar responses, the left needs to fill in the blanks with phrases like, We have the best healthcare in the world IF YOU ARE A MILLIONAIRE.
I don’t want a beaurocrat between a doctor and a patient. SO YOU SUPPORT MANDATING INSURANCE COMPANIES PAY FOR ALL DOCTOR SUPPORTED PROCEDURES?
DEATH PANELS EXIST, ITS CALLED PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES.

]]> By: Nixonblogger http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17976 Nixonblogger Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:25:52 +0000 http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/how-the-media-enables-and-amplifies-the-crazy/#comment-17976 <p>Robert Nedelkoff — at the Nixon Foundation blog — has an excellent piece on Mr. Perlstein’s WAPO piece:</p> <p><a href="http://thenewnixon.org/2009/08/15/rick-perlstein-on-the-town-hall-demonstrators/" rel="nofollow">http://thenewnixon.org/2009/08.....nstrators/</a></p> Robert Nedelkoff — at the Nixon Foundation blog — has an excellent piece on Mr. Perlstein’s WAPO piece:

http://thenewnixon.org/2009/08…..nstrators/

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