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	<description>Dip your toe in the legal waters and change politics as you know it.  http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com</description>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/afternoon-panel-update/comment-page-1/#comment-17818</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 04:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A short history on the filibuster:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In 1841, when the Democratic minority hoped to block a bank bill promoted by Kentucky Senator Henry Clay, he threatened to change Senate rules to allow the majority to close debate. Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton rebuked Clay for trying to stifle the Senate’s right to unlimited debate. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Three quarters of a century later, in 1917, senators adopted a rule (Rule 22), at the urging President Woodrow Wilson, that allowed the Senate to end a debate with a two-thirds majority vote, a device known as “cloture.” The new Senate rule was first put to the test in 1919, when the Senate invoked cloture to end a filibuster against the Treaty of Versailles. Even with the new cloture rule, filibusters remained an effective means to block legislation, since a two-thirds vote is difficult to obtain. Over the next five decades, the Senate occasionally tried to invoke cloture, but usually failed to gain the necessary two-thirds vote. Filibusters were particularly useful to Southern senators who sought to block civil rights legislation, including anti-lynching legislation, until cloture was invoked after a fifty-seven day filibuster against the Civil Right Act of 1964. In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or sixty of the current one hundred senators.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.senate.gov/artandhi.....loture.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A short history on the filibuster:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 1841, when the Democratic minority hoped to block a bank bill promoted by Kentucky Senator Henry Clay, he threatened to change Senate rules to allow the majority to close debate. Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton rebuked Clay for trying to stifle the Senate’s right to unlimited debate. </p>
<p>Three quarters of a century later, in 1917, senators adopted a rule (Rule 22), at the urging President Woodrow Wilson, that allowed the Senate to end a debate with a two-thirds majority vote, a device known as “cloture.” The new Senate rule was first put to the test in 1919, when the Senate invoked cloture to end a filibuster against the Treaty of Versailles. Even with the new cloture rule, filibusters remained an effective means to block legislation, since a two-thirds vote is difficult to obtain. Over the next five decades, the Senate occasionally tried to invoke cloture, but usually failed to gain the necessary two-thirds vote. Filibusters were particularly useful to Southern senators who sought to block civil rights legislation, including anti-lynching legislation, until cloture was invoked after a fifty-seven day filibuster against the Civil Right Act of 1964. In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or sixty of the current one hundred senators.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.senate.gov/artandhi&#8230;..loture.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: OldFatGuy</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/afternoon-panel-update/comment-page-1/#comment-17788</link>
		<dc:creator>OldFatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m sorry, but I don’t buy “Rules of Proceedings” to include defining “passing” when the very same Constitution later goes on and defines specific circumstances when super majorities are required.  It is not outrage0us to make the argument that since the very concept of democracy is based on majority rule and the requirement in the same document that a majority is required to conduct business and the same document later spells out specifically when super majorities are required, that the intent is clear that only a majority is required to pass a bill.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, as I conceded above, I concede I’m an idiot, and therefore will stop now and not go back and forth on this with you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sorry, but I don’t buy “Rules of Proceedings” to include defining “passing” when the very same Constitution later goes on and defines specific circumstances when super majorities are required.  It is not outrage0us to make the argument that since the very concept of democracy is based on majority rule and the requirement in the same document that a majority is required to conduct business and the same document later spells out specifically when super majorities are required, that the intent is clear that only a majority is required to pass a bill.</p>
<p>But, as I conceded above, I concede I’m an idiot, and therefore will stop now and not go back and forth on this with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/afternoon-panel-update/comment-page-1/#comment-17787</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;According to Article One, Section Five of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Constitution&lt;/a&gt;, “Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings. . . “&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If they pass a rule saying it takes 50%+1 or 60% or 100% to approve a given measure, they can do that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Article One, Section Five of the <a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html" rel="nofollow">Constitution</a>, “Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings. . . “</p>
<p>If they pass a rule saying it takes 50%+1 or 60% or 100% to approve a given measure, they can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/afternoon-panel-update/comment-page-1/#comment-17786</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would you endeavor to  expose the issue of  “exempt corporate tax status,”  in health care?  Like……. why certain health insurers are considered public charities for tax law purposes?    Please explain why Kaiser or BCBS  is considered,  public charity??  Does not seem logical that a public charity would deny coverage, or let people die for profit?   Lets mandate health insurance and enslave people to assure corporates  profit via the “luck” of the “genetic lottery!”   I believe the same mentality which perpetuated the institution of slavery is a work here.  Slavery and corporate servitude achieved by economic leveraging…. enemies from within?   Corporate Identity vs the individual rights of Americans?   Jefferson, Madison. who else warned America of the deleterious effects on the Union brought by monied interests, monopolies and corporations who value profit more than life…………….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/nccsTools.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/nccsTools.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy,</p>
<p>Would you endeavor to  expose the issue of  “exempt corporate tax status,”  in health care?  Like……. why certain health insurers are considered public charities for tax law purposes?    Please explain why Kaiser or BCBS  is considered,  public charity??  Does not seem logical that a public charity would deny coverage, or let people die for profit?   Lets mandate health insurance and enslave people to assure corporates  profit via the “luck” of the “genetic lottery!”   I believe the same mentality which perpetuated the institution of slavery is a work here.  Slavery and corporate servitude achieved by economic leveraging…. enemies from within?   Corporate Identity vs the individual rights of Americans?   Jefferson, Madison. who else warned America of the deleterious effects on the Union brought by monied interests, monopolies and corporations who value profit more than life…………….</p>
<p><a href="http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/nccsTools.php" rel="nofollow">http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/nccsTools.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Liked the plug for the Lake. Nicely done!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy,</p>
<p>Liked the plug for the Lake. Nicely done!</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/afternoon-panel-update/comment-page-1/#comment-17784</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great job Christy - you did great. Kudos&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job Christy &#8211; you did great. Kudos</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/afternoon-panel-update/comment-page-1/#comment-17783</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We added one of Eli’s photos to the top of the post - Christy you look great!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We added one of Eli’s photos to the top of the post &#8211; Christy you look great!</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eli took some amazing photographs of Christy and her panel, available on his blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://photos.multi-medium.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;multi-medium.net&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eli took some amazing photographs of Christy and her panel, available on his blog <a href="http://photos.multi-medium.net/" rel="nofollow">multi-medium.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: OldFatGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldFatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Love her closing remark.  Hit on the hold up of Johnson too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;NICE JOB CHRISTY! !&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I still don’t get how these “holds” in the Senate are constitutional. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, I also don’t understand how filibusters are constititional either since the Constitution makes clear the circumstances that require super majorities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Guess I’m just an idiot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love her closing remark.  Hit on the hold up of Johnson too.</p>
<p>NICE JOB CHRISTY! !</p>
<p>I still don’t get how these “holds” in the Senate are constitutional. </p>
<p>Of course, I also don’t understand how filibusters are constititional either since the Constitution makes clear the circumstances that require super majorities.</p>
<p>Guess I’m just an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: RevDeb</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/afternoon-panel-update/comment-page-1/#comment-17780</link>
		<dc:creator>RevDeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;check on CSpan. They may rerun it or at least you can probably stream from the archive once it’s there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check on CSpan. They may rerun it or at least you can probably stream from the archive once it’s there.</p>
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