Good morning, Christy!

I’ve been swamped of late. Reading has always been my passion, but lately has fallen by the wayside in the press of other things. I need to make time, since I know that a good story helps rest the mind.

Hey Christy. I’m currently in Moab, Utah, en route from Phoenix to Chicago. Yesterday, I visited Arches Nat’l Park and today I’ll visit Canyonlands Nat’l Park.

In October, I’m going on a 3-week trip to Central Europe (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, & Austria) with my parents and brother. We will visit my grandfather’s hometown in Bialystok, Poland.

Good morning, Christy.

I’m reading War on the Top of the World by Eric Margolis. While the main thrust is U.S. war policy, it is also a travelogue. Margolis has visited all those warring countries during the war and relates his experiences very well. I won’t forget his description of barreling down the Kyber Pass at 70 mph at night with no headlights so they won’t get stopped bu the Afrini tribe of Pashtuns who control that area (and who have recently closed it off). The Afrinis are some of the most militant and cruel of the Pastuns, an ethnic group known for its militancy. And you might recall some of the problems the Brits has with them.

We’re in Kasmir right now.

Three Cups of Tea may be next on my list.

Heh. Was in Bialystok in 2001. My distant Polish relatives live in a small town in NE Poland and they toured us all over eastern Poland from north to south.

My life is a bit overwhelming right now and haven’t been able to read for the past few weeks, but the books I’m still thinking about are “The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo” and the sequel. Can’t wait to get my hands on the final book of the trilogy.

Mornin’ Ms Christy!

I’ve been re-reading some short stories (a mix of noir crime fiction and fantasy based crime ficiton (detectives casting spells type stuff)).

But there are a couple of travel related books I enjoy re-reading occasionally.

First is Blue Highways by William Least Heat Moon.

But the one that draws my back over the decades is Two Years Before The Mast by Richard Henry Dana.

Given that I have a lifetime of suffering from motion sickness, there is no way that I could have ever actually lived the scenes he describes, I could (and can) live them vicariously.

For some reason, I really enjoy books about Egypt in recent history. Years ago I read the Alexandria Quartet by Lawrence Durrell and loved every one.

Recently I’ve come across books (audio version) by Bartle Bull, that take place in Cairo and other parts of N. Africa during the Italian War on Ethiopia in 1935. The plot of the one I’ve listened to already is complicated and bizarre at some turns, but I’ve become addicted and I have 2 more (15 discs and 13 discs, at 1 hour, 20 minutes/disc) waiting for me. Intriguiges of Cairo society and politics, big game hunting, running from Italian pilots who have used poison gas on the Ethiopians: just a sample of the treats in store.

Morning all — I slept in a bit this morning. The Peanut went to her grandma’s house for the weekend. Things are way, way too quiet here as a result.

Morning Lindy — hope work is going well! And that your backyard garden is growing like crazy…

I can’t recall any travel books, as such, which I’ve read. A few years ago, I read John Graves’ Goodbye to a River and liked it very much. The country described is very near where I live, but it was a very interesting, thoughtful account ( according to wiki , sometimes compared to Walden).

I’m currently reading Doris Kearns Goodwin’s, Team of Rivals. She really does write well. When I majored in history, in undergrad and grad school, professors sort of turned up their noses at any historian who wrote well enough to have a best seller. If you wrote something comprehesible to more than two or three other experts in a limited field, you were pandering and a sellout to purist academia. I always thought it was more important to spread the knowledge than to debate with a few experts.

Ooooh, now that sounds lovely. Have a safe driving trip!

Am clearly going ot have to pick that book up, eCAHN. Sounds fascinating.

Good morning, all. I’ve been able to take a couple of short vacays lately and have finally finished a few books: The Dark Side by Jane Mayer, Pegasus Bridge by Stephen Ambrose (WWII) and a fiction re: Florida (at least I hope it was fiction!) by Dave Barry whose name I can’t remember. Now, between housework, yard work and work-work, I’m reading No Ordinary Time (re: the Roosevelts) by Doris Kearns Goodwin. I just ordered the new book on the Bataan Death March and a how-to book by Cesar Millan. We desperately need to become “pack leaders” of an 11-month-old mongrel that we rescued 4 months ago. :)

I just saw that in our local bookstore last week and was intrigued. But I was in a hurry to buy a gift card and get back home, and didn’t have time to fully peruse. Will do so next time I’m at the bookstore, though — the little bit I read looked fascinating…

He wrote it before 9/11 but updated it and added a prologue after 9/11. I knew most of the stuff about Afghanistan, but picked up a few new nuggets. I know nothing about Kashmir, so that section (I’m in the middle) is very informative.

Those sound like good reads, too! Have you ever read any of Laura Anne Gilman’s Retreiver series? Hers are a mix of fantasy and mystery as well.

We once stayed in a beautiful hotel 100 yards north of the Pont du Gard, with a wonderful restaurant, in a room with a view of the Roman aqueduct from the bed. We walked over it, stared at the conduit, looked at the construction, and at the land on the far side of the river to get some idea of the overall engineering project, maybe a couple of hours. As we were walking to it the next morning for another visit (and more pictures) a busload of tourists drove up. They got out, walked over to it, took pictures, one or two of the brave ones touched it, they got back on the bus and left.

I liked Frances Mayes’ Under The Tuscan Sun,which is NOTHING like the movie at all. The house she’s restoring is really one of the main characters in the book. It made me long to see Italy beyond the beaten path. Maybe someday…

I loved Three Cups of Tea,Greg Mortenson should win a Peace Prize for his work. THAT’S how you defeat religious extremism.

Not a travel book at all, but the description of Montana’s Bitter Root Valley in the opening section in Jared Diamond’s “Collapse” makes me want to spend a summer there.

Julia Langbein’s writings in Gourmet about Finland are appealing; would be lovely to spend a summer there, too, researching my grandmother’s heritage.

And anything by Peter Mayle on Provence. Wonderful stuff.

National Geographic had an excellent list of “summer books,” all of which feature a place or travel. Also very good stuff, hard to pick a place to start.

Good Morning All: Our local PBS just had an interview with Douglas Brinkley about his new book on Theo. Roosevelt…mostly a focus, I think, on the national park system, how much land he was able to put aside. Sounded very interesting.

Our book group is reading Madonnas of Leningrad; not really travel, but a wondeful story, setting, museum presentation. Really well-written.

Good morning everyone. Travel si one of my life’s biggest regrets. When I was a kid a read through a set of encyclopedias and was fascinated by the different places I’ve read about.

As far as travel books go thought I haven’t read much. It’s a good thing I’m a very lucid dreamer because that seems to be where the travel in this lifetime is happening.

I’ve also read “Three Cups of Tea” and it is one of my all time favorite books. The author is so audacious and so effective at getting schools built that it’s fun to read and a fabulous way to be inspired.

I have got to read that one. We have it — got it for Mr. ReddHedd as a present, and he enjoyed the read. Need to move that further up to “to read” pile, I think.

No I haven’t (at least not directly). Most of the ones I’ve read have been short story anthologies with titles like Mob Magic or Crime Spells. Basic brain candy.

The Dark Side was seriously depressing, but an incredibly documented book. So glad that Jane wrote it, because it’s needed exposure on a lot of difficult stuff.

Let me know how the Roosevelt book is — I’ve been looking at it, too.

eCAHNomics, I love the Alexandria Quartet, especially Justine. I read it one summer when I was in college, and it was the first book that made me want to go and see for myself, even though I could never see it the way Durrell describes it.

Yes, I read an interview with Brinkley about the book in Texas Monthly. I’m and admirer of his, in that he is unusually frank and willing to commit on issues for an academic historian. The article noted that he commutes between his residence in Austin and his classes at Rice, in Houston. It’s about a 4-hour drive.

Oh, regarding travel literature, I will say that I saw an interesting 3-part TV series on the Hapsburgs. It was ( I’m embarrassed to admit watching) on the Wealth Channel, but actually did make me want to head for Austria, Hungary, and other parts of what used to be the Holy Roman Empire.

Oh hurray, the coffee is finally done brewing…pardon me while I pour a cuppa.

I’m off to read more about Kashmir. Hopefully the sun will come out today. Another half inch of rain yesterday, and it’s still foggy this morning.

The Dark Side was depressing and discouraging, but reading it a year after it was published, I was extremely impressed that her research was clearly sound and is beginning to play out. Much more needs to be exposed.

This is the first Goodwin book I’ve read. My husband read the one on Lincoln (I think?) and loved it as well as this one. She writes in an easy, almost conversational, narrative style that keeps the reader engrossed, and she brings all the characters to vivid life. I’m less than 100 pages in and feel like I know FDR and Eleanor.

Not a book, but it’s out in DVD and called Bab’Aziz. It’s a dream-like Sufi film portraying the inner worlds. It is one of a trilogy the author created to counteract backlash against violent Islamic fundamentalists. (I hear the other two aren’t anywhere near as amazing.) It’s an exquisite movie with desert photography that is unparalleled. I’ve seen it now twice and will go over to friends and see it again tomorrow evening. It’s a real feast for the eyes and the soul.

David Yeadon’s Lost Worlds, Exploring the Earth’s Remote Places is an incredible read of our mysterious planet and its remaining undiscovered remote places. Yeadon’s travels, observations and experiences are a complete wonder.

Peter Jenkin’s Along the Edge of America is a great read. Peter walks from the Florida Keys to the Mexican border. The characters that he meets are fascinating as they inhabit the Florida Everglades, the Gulf Coast, Cajun country and Texas cattle country.

I can see that I will have to put aside William Greider’s Secrets of the Temple, and do a little mental travel this weekend.

Good Morning All Puppers,
I totally enjoyed Three Cups of Tea also. And, yes, Christy, for inspirational. For anyone who has an elementary age child in their life, there is a young readers version of that book. I noticed in the youth section at the book store I work at. Looks like maybe 3rd or 4th grade reading. But, that was just my take on looking at the book. There are more and different photos in that version.

Yes, an interesting living arrangement. He left NO/Tulane after Katrina. The Rice appeal included all his teaching in one semester so he can devote the other to writing. Very nice planning.

This not about traveling but about parts from books. When I want to see how a childs sense of humor is developing, I read them The Pinch Bug and His Prey from “Tom Sawyer”.

That sounds wonderful. I might have to look for that.
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Several of you mentioned Bialystok and all I could hear in my head was the sing song voice of Terri Garr answering the phone in The Producers….Bialystok and Bloooooooooom. *g* Now, that’s stuck in my head. I might have to put some music on here.

I think one of the reasons I love mysteries is because the protagonists usually has such a strong observational relationship with the setting. I highly recommend Donna Leon’s Venice mysteries for its insights into the life of that beautiful and beleaguered city.

i just sent out emails to my sufi friends about Three Cups of Tea being available in a youth version. thank you, darlin’, for letting us know. i just knew it’d come in handy that you worked in a bookstore.

I knew he had been at Tulane and thought he must have arranged classes at Rice to do a weekly commute, rather than daily. Another of my favorite writers who teaches at Rice is Larry McMurtry. He’s a serously pessimistic person, to listen to, and some of his novels about the west are pretty hokey, but others are really good.

Ahhhhh….fresh cuppa coffee, and freshly filled bird feeders. Life is good here this morning.

And the birdies clearly think so, too, because my feeders are instantly covered. Piggies with wings.

Travel books of a certain age — as a kid I read travel books by Emily Kimbrough, she was doing girlfriend trips way back then. Also, John Steinbeck’s Travels with Charley [yes, Fargo was on his itinerary…barely].

I found it interesting to juxtapose Michener and Follett’s novels set in Afghanistan as we got involved in that part of the world.

Reading’s been scant of late…there’s a stack of Smithsonian and National Geographic magazines for catching up on.

And I’m looking forward to Ken Burns upcoming series on National Parks.

“The Sex Life of Cannibals” by J. Maarten Troost is a hilarious and interesting travelogue about life on the remote Pacific island of Karabiti as told by an American slacker.

That title alone makes me want to pick up up for a read. Hilarious.

Do you know how hard it is for me not to buy 3 books a day? I just picked up a little paperback entitled Salaam, Shalom, Peace for my brotherinlaw, Amir Hussein (author of Oil and Water). The funny thing is he and my sissy are in Canada, where he speaks regularly, and my mom told me that the same day he had bought a book about music for me.

Anyone else find their wish list at places like Amazon growing? I find myself bookmarking any number of titles lately, but not buying because the economic uncertainty makes me cautious about spending too much, too often. Anyone going through that, too?

The Peanut and I have been visiting our local library a bit more frequently instead. How are others coping? Same way or different strategies? I was reading an article a week or so ago about book swaps happening more frequently in offices around the country — where folks who work there bring in a few books they’ve read and leave them in a break room, picking up other books others have brought to read rather than buying them. Wondered if others were doing the same, or if that particular office was a fluke?

“The Places in Between” by Rory Stewart is one of my favorites. For me, it was one of those, “don’t pick this up if I have (had!) other plans” type of tomes.

Oh, that’s a fantastic one, too! I should have linked that up above — his writing is wonderfully evocative.

Here’s an idea . A new stimulus program called “Bucks for Books!” Bring in your old tattered books and receive bucks for the purchase of new ones.

Anyone going through that, too?
Ha! You wouldn’t believe my story. We’ve got a zero balance in the account and it’s only that bad because I talked the bank manager into reversing some overdraft charges. No paychecks here for another week. Last night we made a utility payment on my husband’s company credit card so that we could afford the power being shut off. I’m looking for a second job, he’s going to scramble to find some overtime and mean while, it’s nail biting time.
So, yes.

I remember going through that when we were both in law school — I used to calculate our grocery budget and plan our menu down to the last dime every month. And then prices would go up on gas or groceries or utilities or something, and it would be ramen noodle central for a week.

Here’s hoping things ease up for you all soon. Hugs, hon.

Morning everybody!

This is another bookmarked Pull Up A Chair.

What a fantastic list of books emerging here. I’m embarrassed not to have any new to contribute.

whoops. afford should have been avoid.
Ha, that’s kind of funny though. So broke we can’t afford to have our power shut off.

Since I’ve been trying to save money in our budget and not buy so many new books, I’ve been going back and re-reading and re-discovering some old favorites lately. It’s been wonderful.

When The Peanut gets back home from grandma’s house, it will be time for another visit to the library, too. She loves books and we try to encourage her as much as we can about them. The library is a good way to do that and talk about financial prudence as well — it’s win-win. (Although how much that gets across to a 6 year old is anyone’s guess. *G*)

Thank you Christy. Hugs back. We certainly don’t live an extravagant life style, but were not paying attention to the bottom line. A dinner out or series of small purchases without watching the line. Yes, I’m going to be on a strict budget now.
And, imagine just how more wonderful it was for me to find sweet peas growing in the garden yesterday?

that’s so sweet that the two of you are so tuned into each other.

Have recently been using the local library myself….a first. However, its resources are clearly strained. For a small town, it’s an excellent facility. But every time I go in there each of its approximately 16 computers is in use and there are people waiting. And cannot remember the last time I looked for a relatively new release and found it available to check out.

There’s no sign of any economic turnaround in these parts. I’m actually reading a bit less these days and spending more time on the computer. Have decided that’s because it’s difficult to concentrate. Will not dive into a good book unless I can luxuriate in it….and that’s tough at the moment.

i’m running out the door. got a meeting. love and happy reading to all. thanks for the great post christy.

It is sweet. And, considering that that will probably have been my last personal purchase for a long time….and for Peace. (ha)
My sister and I are very close. We play music together and take turns visiting my mom, taking her grocery shopping, to the library. Sometimes we visit at the same time and we play cards. We’re on a Hearts jag right now.

Didja meet Max ? *g*

btw, for folks inundated with zucchini at the moment — as I am! — I found a terrific muffin recipe that makes a ton of muffins that are seriously yummy.

Here’s a link to the recipe for those who want it: Pumpkin Zucchini Muffins.

I used walnuts instead of raisins and they are delish! It makes 48 muffins, so one batch makes plenty for you to eat and some to give away, too — sent some home with my mom when she came to pick up The Peanut yesterday.

His brother, Gerald Durrell, was a naturalist, and he wrote a series of autobiographical books about growing up on the Greek island of Corfu. One was called My Family and Other Animals–I think that’s the first in the series. Very funny books–they have Greece, animals, insects, all topics that I like!

I’m off to the gym, as I have to work later today. You all have a blessed, day. Thanks for this Saturday post, Christy.
Peace, Peas and Prosperity!

G’morning Christy !

The great thing about having extra produce from the Garden is sharing with neighbors, Food Banks, etc.

We never have ‘extra zucchini’ because Mom’s Zucchini bread is always in high demand on our street.

Unfortunately, many people are so busy chasing a buck that their kids never eat home baked goods …

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Two travel books stand out.
I may not have the right title, and it may be out of print: Top of the World or On Top of the World (or some variation). As I recall it’s told by the wife of a couple who travels a lot, and she has a great way with words. Traveling by yak is “like sitting astride a baby grand piano.”
The other is Our Hearts Were Young and Gay by Cornelia Otis Skinner and Emily Kimbrough.
I laughed so hard. These girls traveled in Europe in the 1920s; hilarity ensues.

I never get here early enough to leave comments on PUAC, so this is fun! But in the words of Groucho–”Hello, I must be going”–I learned how to graft fruit trees a couple of years ago, and I am going to a bud-grafting class today to learn more about summer-time grafting. I have an espaliered Belgian fence of mini-dwarf fruit trees that I built–It’s 8 fruit trees in 15 feet of space! Here’s a youtube a friend of mine and Mr. Votus and I made of it.

i’m twice EPUed! i have trouble keeping up!
Just a question:
re the birther skepticism, don’t senators and congresspeeps have to pass an FBI security clearance process? I don’t think many understand how thorough the FBI can be, and that the Prez is thoroughly vetted.

I don’t think these people are susceptible to reason or evidence. I did think we might offer a modest proposal to put the matter to rest: we could offer to carve an asterisk on Mount Rushmore with Obama’s bust.

The link was a little wonky on that last comment I discovered, so you can go here to see it instead. It’s under “how-to videos.” If you use Internet Explorer you can see it in high definition.

quick hit and run this morning.

Going to Colonial Williamsburg and Baltimore for a couple of days each next week. Any must not miss places or restaurants?

Kittens and cat doing much better and growing like weeds. Marcy was spayed on Tues. groggy tues night, a little slow on Wed and back in full play mode on Thurs. Pretty amazing how they bounce . . . and bounce. . . . and bounce.

Hi to everyone!

(still looking for someone to share my room with at Netroots Nation)

Back later.

My head is buried in my ‘Puter for 10- 12 hours every day writing my own books, so I haven’t read one in years.

Thank Heavens for Audio CDs ! One of my faves is “Seven Years in Tibet” and the Movie was decent.

When I find the time for some light reading, I’m going to pick up “A New Model of the Universe” by P.D. Ouspensky. *g*

Hi,
I LOVE reading about faraway places! I second the recommendation @ 43 for The Sex Lives of Cannibals—it is hilarious.
I like books that help you discover an area while the writer is ostensibly studying something else. Examples:
A Time for Tea, Jason Goodwin—Travels in India and China focused on tea production
The Panama Hat Trail, Tom Miller—Ecuador, actually: tracing Panama hats from harvesting the grass to the sales room.
A Fez of the Heart, Jeremy Seal–Travels around Turkey in search of the meaning of the fez.
Heidi’s Alp, Joanna Hardyment–Memoir of a British woman in the ’60s who took her 4 elementary-age daughters in a trailer around Europe to the places where their favorite fairy tales occurred.
Lady and the Panda, Vicki Croke–First Am explorer to bring a live panda from China in 1930s.

A great diversion for women who are fully occupied with raising families is Changes in Latitude, by Joana McIntyre Varawa. A 50-something woman leaves her job and travels to Fiji, where she marries a man about half her age. It’ll make you glad for your own kitchen.

Get away from the computer and read!

Here’s a recipe for Zucchini and Tomato Gratin – with homegrown tomatoes, basil, and garlic.

At least the picture is pretty *s*

RevDeb, i’d share a room with you, but can’t really afford to go. i can give away a registration to anyone who wants it.

I got a case of the late blight. Having to start all over. Remember the potato famine in ireland. Same stuff.

I’m a physical traveler.
I’ve lived on three continents, visited 4, and lived in 8, and visited 34 or 35.

I like living in countries, not so fond of being a tourist, dislike weekends aways from home, and absolutely hate business travel.

On business travel, airports, taxis, hotels and offices are much the same everywhere, and there is little romance in long days of meetings followed by a rush to the airport to get home.

And, I believe I shall not retire in the US. France profound or Portugal appeal better. If Zim were to clear up, I’d go to the Inyanga area. Rhodes chose to have a house there for a very good reason.

Here in Austin we have a new place called Recycle Reads; it’s an offshoot of our libary. There is no $ for books, but the resale price for any purchase is wonderful: a buck for paperback, 2 bucks for hardcover. I have gotten some things I never would have chosen, then just give back. Very, very good reads and fun.

His “Last Picture Show” is one of my all time favorites, also with some really favorite lines.

My best friend in college grew up in Archer City and graduated from high school about four years after McMurtry. He said he knew the many of the people on whom characters in “Last Picture Show” were based. At that time, he said people in Archer City weren’t well disposed toward Larry McMurtry. I think that’s all changed now. He has his giant used bookstores there and spends a lot of time there.

Hey, good lookin’. How’d the doctor visit go? I’m just here for a moment. Should be getting ready for work. Well, I am sort of. Waiting for clothes to dry. Loaf of bread rising in the window sill. Added olive oil and Italian spices. Should be good to bake when I get home.
Kiss the kitty.
Later….

One of the most discouraging things about moving to Maui is how horrible the library system is here. Of course I was totally spoiled living in Montgomery County, MD: their libaries are FABULOUS, and I used them for everything from the latest releases, which I could reserve as soon as a review came out, to books-on-tape, Teaching Company courses on tape, CDs, DVDs, classes, whatever. The libraries here on Maui make me cry. [Note: Maui’s school system is rated down there with MS, LA and AL.]

To cheerier matters: while not travel lit, I’d strongly recommend Shop Class as Soulcraft: an Inquiry into the Value of Work, by Matthew Crawford. I saw an excerpt of it in the NYT some months ago, so was delighted to see it in book form.

The author has a PhD in philosophy and for some time headed a “think tank” in DC, but loathed it, and longed for work with his hands. He opened a motorcycle repair shop, but has worked as an electrician, plumber, etc.

The book is a meditation on the value our society places on “intellect,” as compared to the low regard in which it holds manual labor. He then talks about the high quality of reasoning and analysis required in most manual jobs. My favorite observation: when your toilet won’t flush, you can’t outsource the repair to China.

Seems like it fits with the philosphy here.

Somehow my recommendation got chopped; I’ll see if I can reconstruct. Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work by Matthew Crawford.

RevDeb. If you have not been to the Visionary Arts Museum in Baltimore, I highly recommend it. Outsider art.

Ooh, I’m in time for PUAC?

RevDeb, for more classic art museum, the Walters Art Gallery downtown, on Mt. Vernon Square, and the Balto. Mus. of Art, on the Hopkins campus off Charles St., norh of downtown, are really very good. I’d love to recommend restaurants, but the old places my folks used to take me, Baltimore institutions, have mostly closed down.

If you’re interested, the U.S.S. Constellation is at the Inner Harbor; a sister ship of USS Constitution (Old Ironsides), which lives in Boston. One of the first US Navy ships, 18th century (or very early 19th).

demi – I read your story on Late Night – so sorry. Sad, and embarrassing to say, but I’ve been there. Hang on – you’ve got your electricity paid for and enough food to make it for a week…you’ll be okay. Good luck with the second job hunting — I’m still on the job hunt, too, so I know where you’re coming from.
Each day will pass, and if you’re spending time cooking from the freezer, that will make each day pass quicker, and in no time, it will be payday!
(I’ve been waiting several days for a check to be direct deposited – checking the account, checking…and this a.m. voila! There it is! I can buy kitty litter!)
Good luck.

A drive-by: Not a travel book per se, rather fiction, MM Kaye’s The Far Pavilions are as good if not better as you travel to another place, another time, and another world. Enjoy

Ah, yes. The Far Pavilions. Fabulous!!

Just finished the ‘Children of Earth’ series of Torchwood. Highly recommended. Only about travel in the very broadest sense, but the choices people face are quite extraordinary.

My favorite piece of travel literature is “The Sheltering Sky” by Paul Bowles.
Kerouac’s “On The Road” is travel literature, too.

Hey, Dumplin’….things went well. How are you doing? I went for our ginger drink and had to get a different brand. It made me understand the early discussion about sinuses….it is so tart, cleared my sinus so much I couldn’t breath!! I’ll share.

Next is Matthews….I’ll give you a lineup: Fears about the health care..+ Some of the “nut talk” about Obama…Nora O’Donnel, Robinson, Fineman, ?

The last panel member is Loven