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Quelle Surprise: Dr. Tiller’s Murderer Links Himself To Operation Rescue

Scott Roeder, who shot Dr. George Tiller, links himself to Operation Rescue in a jailhouse interview.  Color me shocked:

In a phone interview Friday, Roeder said he was upset at the president of Operation Rescue, Troy Newman, who had condemned the killing and said his organization had nothing to do with Roeder.

“He said that I never was a member and I never contributed any money,” Roeder said. “Well, my gosh, I’ve got probably a thousand dollars worth of receipts, at least, from the money I’ve donated to him.”

Do tell, Mr. Roeder. What other connections did you have with Operation Rescue through the years? From whence did you draw your inspiration to drive over to Dr. Tiller’s church and shoot him in cold blood?

For a real taste of the illogical and convoluted internal justifications, the NYTimes Magazine had a lengthy piece on how Dr. Tiller’s murder has diminished fundraising hopes for pro-life groups because some of their ardent supporters now think murdering someone for performing a legal medical procedure is the more effective solution. 

Boo hoo, cry me a river, because that’s both sane and logically consistent, isn’t it?

Especially since Randall Terry, Operation’s Rescue’s attention-seeking mouthpiece, says he’s not responsible for people thinking they are murdering for the lord.  That’s despite statements out of his own mouth, as recent as last week wherein Terry "exalt[s] in warning of “random acts of violence” and violent "reprisals against those deemed guilty"" for daring to think about putting reproductive services in a health care bill.

No contraception for you, slutty womenfolk.  But the viagra is still a-okay!

McJoan points out the political non-penalty for Terry and his ilk:

There’s a larger issue than just Terry’s dangerous crazy here, though. He’s doing the Republican’s dirty work. If any liberal organization went anywhere near this crazy, you know Democratic members of Congress would be falling all over themselves to apologize from the floor of the House. Look what happened with MoveOn and the "Betrayus" ad. When are Republicans going to denounce this?

I’m not holding my breath. Because I’m not exactly seeing journalists — or Democratic leadership, frankly — asking about the GOP’s accountability for using people like Terry to push their political agenda forward. 

As always, Digby nails it:

Controlling other people’s sexual lives and women’s bodies is the agenda. There’s no point in pretending otherwise. You can search for common ground but I can’t find any with people who believe these things. And every inch you give them only encourages them to take another mile. It’s a losers strategy.

It’s no one’s damned business what goes on in someone else’s bedroom — or what difficult choices individuals have to make in incredibly painful situations in their lives.

Those conversations — be it about contraception, abortion, or viagra — are between a woman, a man, a partner, a doctor, close family and God.

It isn’t for me or you to judge. And it sure as hell isn’t for Randall Terry to do so.

Especially given that he’s fighting so hard to keep reproductive care out of whatever health care bill gets passed. Sanctimonious idiocy and illogical asshattery isn’t a free pass for heaven, dude.

(H/T to reader wb.)

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59 Responses to "Quelle Surprise: Dr. Tiller’s Murderer Links Himself To Operation Rescue"
Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 05:17 am 1

Morning everyone — color me shocked on the connection.


foothillsmike | Monday July 27, 2009 06:08 am 2

Morning Christy.
Who could have ever guessed that there would be a connection and who could have guessed that Randall Terry would be a liar.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:08 am 3

btw, do take the time to read the whole of the NYTimes article. If for no other reason than the information about Dr. Tiller and what his work meant to women in Wichita and around KS.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:12 am 4
In response to foothillsmike @ 2

Morning Mike. Yeah, who could have possibly predicted. If you click on the “statements out of his own mouth” link about Terry — you can see footage of him railing on about violent upheavals with a bit of a gleam in his eye. I always get the feeling that’s it is far more about PR than fervor with him — he has that “tackle the cameraman and make him film me” look about him when he’s in front of a camera. It creeps me out.


ghostof911 | Monday July 27, 2009 06:12 am 5

Psychopaths all, pure and simple. The lunatics have swiped the keys to the medicine cabinet and the gun locker and are running the funny farm.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:15 am 6
In response to ghostof911 @ 5

One of the more galling aspects of reading that lengthy NYTimes piece is how much of Dr. Tiller’s focus was on the women who came to his medical practice for help, and how those same women are never, ever mentioned by the Operation Rescue folks — except as people they meticulously documented, including photographing them and posting those pictures on their website, going in and out of the clinic.

Compassion, my ass.


Peterr | Monday July 27, 2009 06:16 am 7

Roeder’s going to have a preliminary hearing on Tuesday. I wonder whether any gems will come out then, or any hints of the direction his lawyer plans to take the case at trial.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:19 am 8
In response to Peterr @ 7

If I had to guess, the way they’ve had him rambling about to the press, I’d say mental health defense may be part of the strategery. But it’s only a guess.

Sometimes, you get a client that will not shut up no matter how often you tell him to zip it. But it’s rarely a good thing to have a blabby client…I used to hate that.


foothillsmike | Monday July 27, 2009 06:28 am 9
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 8

Here is to hoping that Roeder blabs on.


JohnnyTable70 | Monday July 27, 2009 06:29 am 10

Typical Wingnuttia logic. IMO they love the fetus, but hate the mother.


RevDeb | Monday July 27, 2009 06:29 am 11

It’s always been about the sex not the babies for the no-choice people. Control. Period. There was a great piece a couple of years ago put out by an offshoot of Rockridge about this, Prevention vs Punishment. Read the whole thing. Our people should have been using this frame all along. It sure put it all in perspective for me.

And I’d like to know why the National Press Club keeps giving these whackos a podium from which to spout their hate!


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:29 am 12
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 8

Oh, and Roeder makes a comment in the interview that his lawyer thinks using his ties to such a well-known pro-life group would be helpful to his defense. Which also points to potential mental health defense tactics for me — using the “stoking of Roeder’s fervor” by Operation Rescue as a “he didn’t know what he was doing” sort of build-up.

Don’t think it will work as a legal defense, but they may be banking on inherent bias in the jury pool, among other things, I suppose. “I believed I was doing the lord’s work” as a viable defense in an evangelically inclined county in Kansas may be all they have…again, don’t think it will work, it’s pretty hard to defend shooting a man in his own church, but that may just be my own inherent bias talking. *g*


RevDeb | Monday July 27, 2009 06:30 am 13
In response to JohnnyTable70 @ 10

The mothers are all “sluts.” That ’s what the no-choice movement believes (at least the foot soldiers—the leaders are in it for the fame and money).


ghostof911 | Monday July 27, 2009 06:30 am 14
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 8

rarely a good thing to have a blabby client…

Indeed, rarely a good thing for the client and his counsel, but in this case a loose cannon is a bigger threat to other parties. Also, it’s good news if they bring on the mental health defense. The more dirt brought up the better. Bring it on!


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:30 am 15
In response to RevDeb @ 11

Agreed that this should have been the frame all along. The fact that it hasn’t been points to either indifference or incompetence — or both. Which is beyond infuriating on any number of levels, isn’t it?


OldFatGuy | Monday July 27, 2009 06:31 am 16

OMG, I got done the second sound bite of those three linked and couldn’t stand anymore.

Funny how he seems to advocate people not filing their taxes over the “killing” of the innocent unborn children. Does this mean I don’t have to file mine over the very real killing of innocent Iraqis and Afghans??? I’m betting then I’d be an unpatriotice traitor.

Just a guess, of course. Wouldn’t dare try to put words in that scumbags mouth.

*sigh*

I do worry sometimes about a day of violence in this great country though. It seems that’s the only language they understand and respect, and one day they’re going to push far enough that, well, guess I’d rather not think about it.

Hard not to suffer from depression these days.


RevDeb | Monday July 27, 2009 06:31 am 17

I can’t believe that the state cannot come up with a jury that is totally wingnuts—unless they want to.


demi | Monday July 27, 2009 06:33 am 18

Good Morning Christy,
Did you by chance catch Bill Moyer’s repeat last Friday of a segment about hate speech, Terry, Tiller and The Shock Jocks?
It was stomach curdling.
By the way, it isn’t “random” when people who are unhinged, unhappy and unloved are encouraged to act on hate. I don’t think, anyway.


wigwam | Monday July 27, 2009 06:33 am 19

So, Operation Rescue needs to be officially declared a “terrorist organization” and those who aid, abet, and contribute to it can then be detained and interrogated.


foothillsmike | Monday July 27, 2009 06:33 am 20

I think jury selection in his trial is going to be very informative.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:34 am 21
In response to OldFatGuy @ 16

It really is an appalling thing to watch with all those clips. He just spews on and on about not paying your taxes and worse as though its another day at the office for him.

Perhaps because that sort of venom really is his stock and trade. Ugh.


RevDeb | Monday July 27, 2009 06:34 am 22
In response to wigwam @ 19

works for me. But we know it won’t happen. It’s run mostly by white males and they don’t look like terrorists so they couldn’t be, right?


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:35 am 23
In response to demi @ 18

I haven’t had a chance to watch it yet — but I will. Anything Bill Moyers does is always thoughtful and thought provoking, which is why I love watching his work.


RevDeb | Monday July 27, 2009 06:35 am 24
In response to foothillsmike @ 20

it will indeed. It will at least telegraph the state’s intent.


RevDeb | Monday July 27, 2009 06:38 am 25

It’s the second half of the program. First is about health care, of course.

Moyers repeats the segment he aired a while ago that links hate speech, shock jocks, the shootings in Knoxville last summer and Tiller’s murder and does it quite well. As always. The only part missing would be that of the right wingers loading up on guns and ammo because the black president is going to try to take them away. It’s all cut from the same cloth imo.


Bluetoe2 | Monday July 27, 2009 06:40 am 26
In response to demi @ 18

Also had a very good interview with two women criticizing the current state of healthcare reform and why single payer is the only real option that will provide universal coverage and reduce healthcare costs. The for profit model needs to be scrapped.


ghostof911 | Monday July 27, 2009 06:44 am 27
In response to RevDeb @ 22

An ambitious investigator might also find a link between Operation Rescue and the Arlington-based Fellowship (or Family). That would be a link work exposing.


wigwam | Monday July 27, 2009 06:44 am 28

BTW, “making terrorist threats” is a serious crime. Here is a except from the web page of an attorney who defends such cases: http://www.lependorfsilverstei…..rist.shtml

The common legal definition of a terrorist threat consists of five elements:

* Someone willfully threatens to commit a crime that will result in death or great harm.
* The threat actually caused fear in the victim.
* The threat was made with the intent that it be taken as a threat.
* The threat is so unequivocal and specific as to convey a grave purpose and immediate prospect of execution.
* The fear caused was reasonable.

Recently, state and federal law enforcement agencies have used the charge of “terrorist” or “criminal” threat to prosecute a variety of different crimes. Among them are instances involving hate crimes, domestic violence, bomb threats, and school violence. The exact definition and instances where these charges apply varies from state to state.

I’m not sure whether such charges could be filed against an organization, but organizations can certainly be sued.


demi | Monday July 27, 2009 06:46 am 29
In response to RevDeb @ 11

I agree with you on the “it’s the sex” thing. I once heard a conservative fundamentalist (female) preacher denouncing gay sex by saying that, well, maybe God did create them gay, but they had to resist acting on it. She went on to say that because she is divorced, she’d not allowed to have sex. The implication was that since she can’t, then they can’t either. Bizarre logic.


RevBev | Monday July 27, 2009 06:47 am 30
In response to RevDeb @ 25

It is quite hard to understand how some of the folks featured (Savage) can come up with such cruel, rage….going along with the minister’s point about the reality of de-humanizing people who disagree. Ingraham carries some of that same disdain in her ridicule and judgement of all who differ…..scathing, mocking. Must appeal to alot of people….the “feminazi” approach


puravida | Monday July 27, 2009 06:48 am 31

Good morning, Christy, and thanks (I think) for this post. Reading about the Roeders and Terry’s of the world is harrowing first thing in the morning.

I’m not so sure an insanity defense will work out either though IANAL. These people aren’t “voices in my head made me do it” crazy, it’s the religious fervor and tunnel vision that sends them over the edge. Is that crazy? Yeah, for me it is, but it’s still premeditated murder.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:51 am 32
In response to RevBev @ 30

What’s worse, I think, is that it really has seeped into the culture as a whole in this country. Digby is so right when she talks about the lizard brain being the key in a lot of this nastiness. The fact that so many of these people don’t give a crap about the end result of doing all of this and how irresponsible that is? Beyond galling.


ghostof911 | Monday July 27, 2009 06:51 am 33

No comment on the possible Operation Rescue/Fellowship connection? The latter is where the big money and marching orders would come from.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:51 am 34
In response to puravida @ 31

Yeah — sorry about that. It is a bit of a depressing way to begin the day…


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 06:53 am 35

So much of this is intertwined. Just look at Sen. Coburn who was a member of C Street and who makes it a point to be out in front on abortion issues any time he can find a camera.


demi | Monday July 27, 2009 06:54 am 36
In response to puravida @ 31

I agree with you too. Yes, it is not fun to read first thing in the morning. But, it was also disgusting and upsetting to watch the Moyers show on a Friday evening after a long, hard week. I had trouble getting to sleep that night. Maybe there’s no good time to for us to share and contemplate the powers of hate, but it’s necessary and somebodies got to do it. Thanks Christy for this post.


puravida | Monday July 27, 2009 06:54 am 37

No worries, dear. It takes a lot more than those assholes to ruin my day.


demi | Monday July 27, 2009 06:56 am 38
In response to Bluetoe2 @ 26

Yes, both segments were excellent. Those women would make excellent guests for a (nother) thread about Health Care here at FDL.


demi | Monday July 27, 2009 06:59 am 39
In response to demi @ 38

Bill Moyers sits down with Trudy Lieberman, director of the health and medical reporting program at the CUNY Graduate School of Journalism, and Marcia Angell, senior lecturer in social medicine at Harvard Medical School and former editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine.
(If anybody wants their names.)


ghostof911 | Monday July 27, 2009 07:00 am 40

Christy

This is no coincidence. If the leads are pursued, one might find that the shooting had its origin at the Cedars in Arlington.


RevDeb | Monday July 27, 2009 07:01 am 41
In response to ghostof911 @ 27

it’s the kind of thing that Chip Berlet and Jeff Sharlet have been engaged in for quite some time. Perhaps Dave Neiwert too.


ghostof911 | Monday July 27, 2009 07:03 am 42
In response to RevDeb @ 41

It is well past time to let that cat out of the bag (pun intended).


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 07:05 am 43
In response to ghostof911 @ 42

Jeff’s book on The Family was one that documents a lot of that — we had him on as a Book Salon guest last year. Let me see if I can dig up the link for you — it was a really good discussion.


ghostof911 | Monday July 27, 2009 07:05 am 44
In response to RevDeb @ 41

Adding Wayne Madsen to your list.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 07:06 am 45

Here’s a link to a post that Jeff did for us on The Family. And here’s the link for the book salon we did for his book.


ghostof911 | Monday July 27, 2009 07:08 am 46

Christy, I read Jeff Sharlet’s article in Harper’s when it came out in ‘03. He was on to something back then, but unfortunately there was no follow up then. That mob needs to be exposed.


mui1 | Monday July 27, 2009 07:14 am 47

“. . . before long women began turning to him for abortions, too, often under desperate circumstances. “The women taught him about life in Wichita,”

Never knew much about Tiller until following the NYT link. He seems like an unusually brave man.
It reminds me of the torture debate discussions . Generally those lawyers of the Gitmo prisoners and advocates know actual human stories and faces. The opposition (those who are okay with non-habeas corpus imprisonment etc.) have soundbytes and “conventional wisdom”, if anything coming from the cheney crowd can be called wisdom.
And what did the shooter and Operation “rescue” know of the lives and sufferings of Tiller’s patients? Do they ever see a human face when they spout their ideology?


ghostof911 | Monday July 27, 2009 07:17 am 48

Tnanks Christy. IMHO, the Tiller murder has everything to do with the Fellowship’s 2010 and 2012 election strategy.


demi | Monday July 27, 2009 07:18 am 49
In response to mui1 @ 47

No, they do not see the human face. That’s one of the things pointed out on the Moyers segment. They must dehumanize the Other to commit these hateful acts.


bgrothus | Monday July 27, 2009 07:20 am 50

There is also the component of religionists that promotes natural birth at home, without any medical attendants. Putting all of it in “God’s hands.” There was a birth at a hotel recently, twins. One died. The whole group just thought it was OK that the one twin just could not breathe, God made the call for its death. I think the other struggled, but survived. I guess no one could prosecute teh stoopit.

In Nigeria there are women learning to do C-sections in remote locations to save women and their babies, or at least focusing on women’s health b/c they often have other children at home who would be motherless if the mother does not survive. PBS had a story recently. The born still matter in some places.

Priorities.


mui1 | Monday July 27, 2009 07:27 am 51
In response to demi @ 49

Then I’ll have to see it. You provided a link upthread, right?

And who is the “other?” Us “slutty, dirty feminists” and sympathetic men like Tiller?


mui1 | Monday July 27, 2009 07:33 am 52
In response to bgrothus @ 50

Okay, so they’re okay with the fact that multiple births are hard on mothers and baby? And that twins, triplets etc. are often premies?


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 07:49 am 53
In response to mui1 @ 52

Apparently, the science of it has no bearing, oh ye of much information and knowledge but too little faith in ignoring it altogether and simply hoping for the best.

I’m reminded of that joke about the man on top of his house in a flood, and how many times people try to save him but he keeps replying “God will save me.” And, ultimately he drowns and goes to heaven, where he’s greeted by St. Peter saying: “What are you doing here? We sent you a rescue team, a rowboat and a helicopter?!?”


demi | Monday July 27, 2009 08:06 am 54
In response to mui1 @ 51

Sorry, I ran out to the gym and just got back. I didn’t provide a link, but all you have to do is google Bill Moyers – 6/24/09 and you’ll get it. Off to work now. Have a great day.


stimuli | Monday July 27, 2009 08:11 am 55

How is this insane freak allowed to do media interviews in the first place?
Do all prisoners get to do this?


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday July 27, 2009 08:27 am 56
In response to stimuli @ 55

All prisoners have access to be able to place collect calls out — at least they do here in WV. Or to meet with various people who arrange visits through the prison system. Usually, it’s with attorneys, family and the like.

And most criminal defendants are smart enough to listen to their lawyers and shut their mouths so they don’t say anything that could harm their defense case. But, with Roeder? I’d say part of their strategy is to leverage his media profile as a means to cry foul on jury selection, for starters. And any number of other reasons that may factor into his defense strategy.


mui1 | Monday July 27, 2009 08:50 am 57

Right. I’ll remember that if another family member gives birth to multiples or a CFer. Instead of scurrying around the hospital and watching someone like my sister cry, I’ll just raise my eyes heavenward and say “it’s in god’s hands.” /s


BargainCountertenor | Monday July 27, 2009 09:20 am 58
In response to bgrothus @ 50

That happened in Albuquerque in June. The last I heard the matter was under investigation by DA Brandenburg.


dosido | Monday July 27, 2009 10:20 am 59

Hey, Christy, thank you for the update on the Tiller tragedy.

Someone must have deleted the “do unto others” message off the voicemail. God chose us to tell these people to knock it off.

We have a local crazy who also fits your description of Roeder. It’s all about the narcissism. Any controversial issue will do, but the abortion fight fits the need for attention perfectly.


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