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A Tale Of Two JAGs

Some people are ruled by courage and justice, and some are ruled by fear and petty personal ambition.  See if you can tell which is which between Sen. Lindsey Graham and Lt. Col. Darrel Vandeveld.

First, via Spencer, Lt. Col Vandeveld:

…“If someone is acquitted, then, as we do today, we should release him,” Vandeveld says. “I know the president has said he does not want release someone who’s a threat to the American people. As a prosecutor of 20 years, I can tell you that happens every day in the U.S. — the recidivism rate is huge. It’s worse than people want to think about. But it’s worth the risks that one has to take if one believes in democracy and the rule of law. There are two systems already in place [for dealing with dangerous people]: military courts martial under the [Uniformed Code of Military Justice] and Article-3 [federal civilian] courts. There’s no reason to lower our standards to obtain convictions would not obtain otherwise.”

Spencer has much, much more at the Washington Independent on this, including summaries of yesterday’s testimony which will piss off a lot of folks on the civil liberties, rule of law end of things.

Lt. Col. Vandeveld is scheduled to appear before Jerry Nadler’s House Judiciary Subcommittee that covers constitutional and civil liberties issues beginning at 10 am ET. The C-Span schedule doesn’t appear to be covering it, so I’m looking for a livestream from the committee now.

Now, here’s Sen. Lindsey Graham, also a JAG, from the eviscerating habeas MCA discussion days. See if you sense a difference in tone and motivation:

"I’m curious to see what the five new Democrats would think about giving terrorists the ability to sue our troops in federal court and having federal district court judges make wartime decisions," Graham said Wednesday. "I got a feeling a lot of them would agree with me."

One deals in truths, facts and reality, the other makes it up as he goes along. Lovely.

If I can find a livestream for the committee, I’ll link it up here for everyone.

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34 Responses to "A Tale Of Two JAGs"
Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:14 am 1

Morning all — starting the day with coffee, oatmeal and law. How’s everyone else?


diablesseblu | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:23 am 2

Great post Christy. JAGS and former JAGS have generally brought great credit to the legal profession with their work in this area of law. Miss Graham……not so much. Hate to say it, but have always thought of his military service as window dressing.


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:27 am 3
In response to diablesseblu @ 2

I remember being so furious during those MCA days at his blase dismissal of habeas corpus principles — since then, I’ve learned to see it as him being willing to sacrifice whatever was necessary to advance his personal ambitions and toady to the powers that be. What a sad way to live your life.


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:27 am 4
In response to diablesseblu @ 2

While I’m thinking about it, how are the wedding plans going? And how are you holding up between that and your mom?


diablesseblu | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:37 am 5

Thanks for asking. Wedding plans are OK…am actually not too involved by necessity….and choice. The happy couple is in NYC for the summer and I’m in NC. Am handling what I’m asked to do but am trying to leave as much as possible up to them so they can have what they truly want. For me, let’s hope I like the dress I’ve ordered from NM or it’s going to be a scramble on that front.

Mother just had another bad fall last Thursday about 5:30 AM. Nothing was broken but it took three EMTs to move her and she looks like she went 15 rounds in the heavyweight division. Her doctor was very upset with her because she was not being careful in her movements. Thank goodness he had that conversation….and not me. But the joys of a small town. He made a house call yesterday to check on her.

It must be so difficult to be elderly with a relatively “new” frame/weight to handle, navigate. Am just hoping she makes it through the wedding weekend without a mishap.

I, like you, just got a new haircut. Am feeling a bit buoyed at the moment — despite my new “non colored” look. *g*


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:40 am 6

Just got off the phone with Congressman Nadler’s office. They do not think the hearing will be livestreamed — in fact, they are pretty certain it won’t be, but they aren’t 100% on it, so I’m going to try committee staffers next.

But it’s looking grim for those of us who wanted to see this live…


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:43 am 7
In response to diablesseblu @ 5

I bet it looks lovely. It’s amazing how something as little as a new haircut can make such a huge difference, isn’t it?

So sorry to hear about your mom. Does she have a cane or a walker for stability? We had a cane for my FIL when he was here, but it was always anyone’s guess whether he was actually using it at any given moment even though he really needed the added stability the cane gave him. He began to see the wisdom of that int he last month he was here and started using it a little more frequently — which was a lot of peace of mind for us as much as anything.

I hope she has an easier time of it for the rest of the summer — and you.


demi | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:45 am 8

Good Morning All
Me? Coffee and the google dictionary. I was pretty sure I knew what “recidivism ” meant, but felt like getting the derivation. Ah, from a latin word that means “fall back”. Ms. Graham doesn’t seem to fit that category in that s/he is fairly consistent.
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diablessblu – congrats on ordering a dress. I’m not that far yet. Just looking at styles that might work best for my frame. My daughter’s flying in to town this weekend to meet with the pastor, cake and flower people. Like you, I’m not all that involved. She just wants me to keep working out so I’ll look “fabulous”. Her word, not mine. *g*


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:47 am 9
In response to demi @ 8

FWIW, I’ve head really good luck ordering something from Chadwicks. They have some lovely formal gowns — and I have ordered a size larger and had a tailor pull it in for me to make certain that it would fit over my curvy parts. *g*

I’ve done that several times for formal events and they often have things on sale for a really good price.


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:51 am 10

Have to share this: The Peanut went to stay with her grandma for a few days this week. While she’s gone, I’m redoing her room.

We had Disney princesses and pooh bear up on her walls along with Tinkerbell. She announced the other day that it was a baby room, and she wanted something for big girls instead.

So I ordered this — and got new curtains (which are already up) and some wall decor (butterflies and flowers) and will spend the next two days getting her room ready to surprise her when she gets home. Serious momma fun in my spare time, I have to say.


demi | Wednesday July 8, 2009 06:58 am 11
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 9

Thanks for that advice. Size larger, then tailor might work really well, since we know that I’ll be losing weight between now and then. (huge snark – *g*)
Here’s the thing. The ceremony will take place on the beach and everyone outside the wedding party will be dressed a little more casually, so I’m not doing a gown. Father of the Bride is doing a tux, but I’m looking at a sort of neo-Miami Vice look for my husband and son. I’m thinking an elegant top and skirt in the bride’s colors.
If this thread goes to the front page, folks might think I’m a dweeb. But, this is important stuff and I appreciate your input.


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:00 am 12
In response to demi @ 11

What about a cocktail-length dress? That way it doesn’t drag on the sand for you? It sounds like it will be a lovely venue for the wedding…


diablesseblu | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:00 am 13

Aren’t we mothers of girls lucky? So much fun to be had whether it’s cooking, gardening, redecorating ……. or wedding prep. The wedding prep part seems to come too quickly …..even though my daughter is thirty.

In answer to your question Christy, mother uses a walker. However, I “catch” her at times not using it….and walking barefoot on hard surfaces. According to the nurses at the local hospital, that is a cardinal sin among the elderly. The skin on the bottoms of their feet has so thinned, they lack the ridges that help keep younger people steady.

Golly I;m learning a lot.


diablesseblu | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:03 am 14

Demi,

Your idea for what to wear sounds great! I’m taking the easy way out. Am deferring to my daughter re my color choice, dress etc. We discussed what she preferred and then I found it (I hope!) online. I really am not one to care about the dress per se…just that the fit is right.


diablesseblu | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:05 am 15

Butterflies and flowers — during the WV winter, that will bring the Peanut some happy memories of being in the garden with momma. Terrific choice.


demi | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:07 am 16

Christy, I’d say you made an excellent choice for your daughter’s New Room. It will be appropriate for many years. Right up until she wants to paint her room black. Ducking — and totally teasing you. And, the surprise part just makes it all the more perfect. It will reinforce for her just how special your love is.
Isn’t summer fun? I’m taking my sonny down to spend the day with grandma while I’m at work. They’re going to play cards and monopoly and he’ll help her around the house. He’s getting pretty tall and can reach places she can’t.
(Cocktail Dress!!! Wooo Hooo I haven’t worn one in years.)


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:19 am 17
In response to demi @ 16

I tried to pick something out that she liked — and she loves butterflies, frogs and flowers. So the quilt is perfect.

I got some of those peel and stick things for the wall with flowers and butterflies and such and will put those up today. I hope she really likes it. :)


ybnormal | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:25 am 18

Graham usually sounds to me like the standard bearer for what I think of as conditional fairness and justice. His conditions are that justice and freedom are fine, as long as his vision of a pristine life is not inconvenienced by annoyances like mistakes, or dealing with their results. It sounds like have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too justice.

What part of “if you break it, you own it” did he not understand?


demi | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:29 am 19

Absolutely no doubt that she will flip. You might consider having the camera ready for her reaction. Life spins so fast, before you know it, you will be considering a MOB dress. (Now, I’ve got tears.)


diablesseblu | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:30 am 20
In response to ybnormal @ 18

Good point. I think of LG as having a very carefully constructed life.He’s bound by those constructs…both personal and political — and no matter how absurd.

And frankly, he seems to hide behind his being a JAG attorney to maintain his political viability in a state like SC.


diablesseblu | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:38 am 21

CHS, I do not have one of those Flip video minicam things. However, was looking at my sister’s this weekend. I’d be buying one of those bad boys to use with the Peanut — given that it’s video with good audio. I have lots of pictures (have been scanning them all in recent months). What I am missing is the spontaneous squeals, laughter that were the soundtrack of the photos.


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:41 am 22
In response to ybnormal @ 18

It’s all the more irritating because he’s a JAG judge. Who ought to know better and yet?


demi | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:45 am 23

Allow me to introduce you to my husband, Mr. ybnormal, at #18. He pops in here once in a blue moon.
I think I’d better get him to take the dog and me out for a nice walk before it gets too warm out.
Have a super day and happy flower and butterfly pasting.


ybnormal | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:51 am 24
In response to diablesseblu @ 20

“…carefully constructed life”

You mean like the Walgreen’s commercial, a town called Perfect (spelled – Stepford)?


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:53 am 25
In response to ybnormal @ 24

Welcome, Mr. demi. :)

And yes, I believe that’s exactly what she means. *g*


ybnormal | Wednesday July 8, 2009 07:59 am 26

I suppose there’s lot’s of reasons for joining JAG. Maybe the appeal for LG was the strict order of the military; except it probably didn’t turn out so predictable in real life.

Still, when he said, “I got a feeling a lot of them [democrats] would agree with me.”; he might have a point.

I’ve noticed in the world of pundit-dom, both dems and repubs seem to agree that Democrats can sometimes be their own problem.


ybnormal | Wednesday July 8, 2009 08:01 am 27

The time has come; put – on – shoes ; walk – dog


sporkovat | Wednesday July 8, 2009 09:06 am 28

greenwald also writes on this today:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html

Show trials are exactly what the Obama administration is planning.  In its own twisted way, the Bush approach was actually more honest and transparent:  they made no secret of their belief that the President could imprison anyone he wanted without any process at all.  That’s clearly the Obama view as well, but he’s creating an elaborate, multi-layered, and purely discretionary “justice system” that accomplishes exactly the same thing while creating the false appearance that there is due process being accorded. 


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 09:11 am 29
In response to sporkovat @ 28

Spencer hits that as well in the piece linked above — he was watching the testimony on the Hill yesterday, I know. Am hoping he was able to catch Vandeveld’s testimony this morning because there was no livestream to be able to watch it from here. Have been scrambling this morning to see if any tape of it will be made available anywhere.


Oval12345678akaJamesKSayre | Wednesday July 8, 2009 09:14 am 30

Imagine having the “rule of law” under imperial President Obama… He seems to want freedom of speech and freedom of assembly in Iran, but not in Iraq or Afghanistan, where we continue our hostile military imperial occupations without end…

O/T: to Stephanie of the Stephanie Miller radio show, allegedly “progressive.”

Dear Stephanie,

I turned in your radio show on “green” 960 in SF this AM and I was disgusted to hear that you thought that it was a good thing that the Russians are allowing US war material to be flown over their territory. Our imperial occupation of Afghanistan is wrong; it is criminal. We were never attacked by the Afghan people; we were attacked by 15 Saudi dupes and Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush. Please note that the USofA, under Reagan with the help of the CIA created the forerunners of the Taliban to harass the government of Afghanistan, which was showing signs of doing something for the average man back in the early 1980s. Heaven forbid. The USoA, imperialist in the 3rd world since 1898, started with the slaughter of some 200,000 Filipinos who had the gall to resist American colonial occupation of their country back in 1899. Charming to hear that a so-called “progressive” is on board with USofA imperialism in Afghanistan, along with war criminals Cheney, Bush and Obama. Heck of job, Stephanie.

Yours truly,

James K. Sayre


DLoerke | Wednesday July 8, 2009 10:17 am 31

A country cannot allow terrorists to wander its streets. A country at war can indefinitely detain enemy combatants (see World War II German cases). Ipso facto, The terrorists can (and should) be kept at Guantanamo until the War Against Islamo-Fascist Terrorism has ended.


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Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 8, 2009 11:51 am 33
In response to DLoerke @ 31

If someone is really a terrorist, don’t you think we ought to just secure a lawful conviction and send them to detention for life like we do every other criminal that is a threat to the nation under the rule of law? I’ve done that with murderers any number of times.

The only reason to subvert the lawful process? Is if you don’t have the evidence to sustain a conviction under it — and you don’t want to admit that out loud.


Teddy Partridge | Wednesday July 8, 2009 01:46 pm 34

His untruth goes to his very core and is central to his being. That’s the problem with the closet, it enables so many other easier lies.


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