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Tortured Logic: The Rule Of Law Resurfaces, As We Await CIA’s IG Report

UPDATE: This just in: CIA and DOJ are asking for more time before releasing the CIA IG report. Knock me over with a feather. More details as I get them.

Today, the less-heavily-redacted version of the CIA IG report on torture and interrogation techniques during the Bush Administration is due for release.  Unless, of course, there is yet another delay. 

Why I’d think there might be another attempt at delay is beyond me.  I’ll let Marcy take the Rizzo from here. And hope we see an IG report sometime before I pass from this earth.

While we wait, I wanted to note a potential victory of sorts for the rule of law from the still-as-yet-unhelmed by Dawn Johnsen OLC. Because any good news on the rule of law is worth spreading around, I thought I’d make certain you all saw this from the WSJ:

In a memorandum issued May 4, David Barron, acting assistant attorney general, said the office believes there is a "serious risk" that federal courts "would adopt a constitutional due process approach" when evaluating military commission trials, people familiar with the memo say.

Mr. Barron advised that federal courts were unlikely to require strict adherence to Bill of Rights provisions spelling out specific procedures, such as the Sixth Amendment speedy trial right, or the Miranda warning, which the Supreme Court imposed in 1966 to ensure compliance with the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and the Sixth Amendment right to an attorney.

But Mr. Barron advised that courts were likely to view the use of coerced statements to convict and punish defendants as violating any definition of the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause, which courts have cited in establishing a baseline of fundamental rights. As a result, some officials believe a legislative fix to the Military Commissions Act should include additional rights for defendants in order to lower the chances courts would strike it down.

I’ve got a request in at DOJ for comment on several aspects of this, and will let you know if I get a response and/or any confirmation that this memo does, indeed, exist. Spencer has already done some excellent digging on the indefinite detention order angle.

Plus, Anthony Romero of the ACLU had some choice words about potentially reviving military commissions in response to the WSJ report that are well worth a read. And they have a petition going to the WH and Congress on indefinite detention.

As Daphne Eviatar reported yesterday, ACLU plans to move forward with a challenge to use of any evidence obtained through torture in the Jawad case. Considering some of the evidence of brutal treatment that Glenn, Marcy, and McJoan have detailed recently, there’s a lot more challenge out there to come, I’m certain.

Speaking of the ACLU, Jameel Jaffer lined out areas of accountability they hope to achieve — including lining out a number of areas where information is still being withheld from the public.

As Digby astutely says regarding the possible release of the CIA IG report:

They surely hope that is the end of it. But it isn’t. There are too many people involved and too much evidence to keep it covered up. By refusing to lance this boil they are allowing the poison to continue to infect everything until the whole body politic is putrid with it. It’s a big mistake.

The ACLU’s accountability initiative is important for any number of reasons. But the building of a complete and transparent public record has to be at the top of the list for me. More sunlight, please. And soon.

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21 Responses to "Tortured Logic: The Rule Of Law Resurfaces, As We Await CIA’s IG Report"
Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 1, 2009 05:18 am 1

Morning all. I’m not certain what it says when a CYA maneuver to restore the rule of law on some level feels like good news, but here we are.

SIGH

I’ll take any step back towards the light at this point.


OldCoastie | Wednesday July 1, 2009 06:06 am 2
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 1

ya’ mean that CYA maneuver that in sorta acknowledges that we have a Constitution that perhaps we outta dig out of the back of the drawer and take a look at once in awhile?

;-)

coffee?


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 1, 2009 06:12 am 3
In response to OldCoastie @ 2

I’ll take that recognition where I can get it. *g* And yes, please…coffee would be lovely.


demi | Wednesday July 1, 2009 06:22 am 4

G’Mornin’ Old Coastie and Christy,
Coffee and Light. Lovely way to start the day.
I just came in from checking the veggie babies in the back yard. Things be growing! I really do enjoy starting the day on the Up Side with a hopeful and grateful attitude.
Thanks, Christy.


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 1, 2009 06:24 am 5
In response to demi @ 4

The Peanut and I were just out checking the garden. We’ve got cherry tomatoes and cucumbers growing and our latest seeding of lettuce has begun to sprout it’s tiny little leaves.

She’s having a blast with the garden this summer. Am so glad I decided to plant it with her.


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 1, 2009 06:27 am 6

Oh, and the big news at our house this morning? The Peanut lost her first tooth this morning. Much excitement here, let me tell you…


demi | Wednesday July 1, 2009 06:34 am 7
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 5

Yessie, yessie. My fifteen year old son and I are doing the yard together. He’s the Aspergher’s kiddo. They take language very literally. You should have seen him kneeling down with his tape measure, putting precisely two corn kernels in the ground every 12 inches. What the packets said. You know me, I kinda fake stuff. His corn is not knee high yet, and won’t be by Monday, as we planted late. But, he is so proud of his part in this miracle of nature. His cucumber and squash hills are looking more splendid by the day. My leeks, peas and radishes are doing well also. Peas are almost ready to tie up and one tomato is Red! He and I work together out there for an hour or so everyday after I get home from work. A lovely routine.
Today we are sanding and painting some old wooden chairs white. They’ll look great for our little 4th of July bar-b-que. Happy, happy. There is joy where we find it.


Peterr | Wednesday July 1, 2009 06:47 am 8
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 6

The tooth fairy brought Sacajawea dollar coins around our place. The TF’s probably moved on to the newer Presidential dollar coins these days — perfect for a pre-Fourth-Of-July tooth loss!


demi | Wednesday July 1, 2009 06:52 am 9
In response to Peterr @ 8

When my kids were loosing teeth, I’d slip a quarter or two under the pillow. Imagine what it will be when our future grand children are dreaming of tooth fairies. Stock options?


foothillsmike | Wednesday July 1, 2009 06:59 am 10
In response to demi @ 9

More likely MP7 and iphones


demi | Wednesday July 1, 2009 07:06 am 11
In response to foothillsmike @ 10

Har har. Kicks just keep getting harder (and more expensive) to find?
Hope all is well with you. I’m off to the gym. Bye all.


OldCoastie | Wednesday July 1, 2009 07:14 am 12

heya, Demi – a ripe tomato? good for you!

(I got lots but still quite green)


Christy Hardin Smith | Wednesday July 1, 2009 09:16 am 13

Thus far, we’ve gotten a single ripe cherry tomato. Everything else is green as all get out. *g*


tejanarusa | Wednesday July 1, 2009 09:18 am 14

Ah, I envy you all your sprouting gardens.

For me, these days it’s all about Farmers Market tomatoes. I’ve been twice this week (there are different locations around town, with different farmers selling not-a-huge-variety of stuff like some cities, but goooood stuff.) Lots of tomatoes on my counter, in my open basket, and some already in my stomach. Yummm.

News this morning from the NYT editorial page – Obama has set up a special Advisor to the President on Violence Against Women and appointed Lynn Rosenthal to the post, a longtime activist.

And as an aside – somewhere (probably here) I saw that Gov. lovelorn Sanford (who “respects” both his wife and his gf-I hate that word “mistress”) was the sole vote in the House against renewing the Violence Against Women Act.
Color me not surprised about Sanford.
About Obama – one step forward, one step back. He’s done a lot of good things that haven’t made the front pages, especially in reversing the idiotic/harmful things that Bush’s folks did (especially cancelling environmental stupid decisions), but not enough on the big stuff. ‘S why I’m still not anti-Obama, just worried…


Hugh | Wednesday July 1, 2009 10:35 am 15

Barron’s statement just underlines the reason why military commissions aren’t necessary. It is likely that the deference the federal courts have already shown in terrorism cases will continue, so the evidentiary bar will remain low and the conviction rate high.

I thought I would just throw in the 5th, 6th, and 8th Amendments here to show how far much our government has abandoned them.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


redfish | Wednesday July 1, 2009 10:50 am 16

Legal issues like these are complex ones. Will be intersting to see how this all shakes out in the end.


sporkovat | Wednesday July 1, 2009 01:28 pm 17
In response to redfish @ 16

one of the most complex sentences ever devised by humankind:

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

a mind like yours could spend weeks lost in the winding mazes of possibilities …

Constitution says, “no ruel and unusual punishments” , yet more than 100 victims died while jailed without trial (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/30/accountability/index.html)

what to do? well, whatever the President who belongs to my political faction decides to do, that must be what the Founders intended!


tjbs | Wednesday July 1, 2009 01:39 pm 18
In response to Hugh @ 15

I’m so far left I believe the Bill of Rights applies to every person alive but that’s just me.


tejanarusa | Wednesday July 1, 2009 01:52 pm 19
In response to tjbs @ 18

Yes, how horribly liberal of you.

I believe it used to be known as “American.”

I would narrow its application, in legal effect to persons within the U.S. or U.S. territory.

Its principles certainly apply in theory to everyone alive. But as a document with legal effect, everybody in the country .
(I was once astonished by the fact that people would complain that I was applying Constitutional rights to “illegal immigrants.” Unfortunately, that turned out to be the least of it.)


Jesterfox | Wednesday July 1, 2009 02:19 pm 20
In response to Hugh @ 15

Does

by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed

mean that they need to have Iraqi’s, Afghani’s, and Pakastani’s onthe jury?


Jesterfox | Wednesday July 1, 2009 02:21 pm 21
In response to redfish @ 16

Nothing complex about it.


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