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	<title>Comments on: Tortured Logic:  The Urgent Need For Leadership And Accountability At OLC</title>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
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		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hugh, you’re much better educated on financial matters than I, but in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Warburg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wiki article on Paul Warburg &lt;/a&gt;can be found the answer to your query:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Following from my notes on this wiki article: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Makes me wonder if Brookings was ever liberal or if it was always a haven for junior fascists.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;From 1921 to 1926 Paul Warburg was a member of the Advisory Council of the Federal Reserve Board, as president 1924-1926.  He was also a trustee of the Institute of  Economics, founded 1922, when it merged into The Brookings Institute in 1927 and he became a trustee of it, serving until he died [01/24/1932].&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paul Warburg’s wife was Nina J. Loeb, daughter of Salomon Loeb, founder of the NY investment firm of Kuhn, Loeb &amp; Co.  Nina J. (Loeb)Warburg’s sister married Jacob Schiff. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; He became a director of The Council on Foreign Relations at its founding in 1921, remaining on its board until he died. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My study of the Federal Reserve Bank System and its iron grip and absolute control over our (and world’s) economy has led to my learning a lot about the banking families who founded it, why they founded it, and through intermarriage of those 7 families have maintained control over it to this day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The wiki article about German Immigrants who became naturalized citizens will show you the origin of nearly all these banking families who intermarried to an almost incestuous degree - Goldman, Sachs, Lehman, Loeb, Jacob Schiff, Warburg, etc…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh, you’re much better educated on financial matters than I, but in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Warburg" rel="nofollow">wiki article on Paul Warburg </a>can be found the answer to your query:</p>
<p>Following from my notes on this wiki article: </p>
<blockquote><p>Makes me wonder if Brookings was ever liberal or if it was always a haven for junior fascists.</p>
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<blockquote><p>From 1921 to 1926 Paul Warburg was a member of the Advisory Council of the Federal Reserve Board, as president 1924-1926.  He was also a trustee of the Institute of  Economics, founded 1922, when it merged into The Brookings Institute in 1927 and he became a trustee of it, serving until he died [01/24/1932].</p>
<p>Paul Warburg’s wife was Nina J. Loeb, daughter of Salomon Loeb, founder of the NY investment firm of Kuhn, Loeb &amp; Co.  Nina J. (Loeb)Warburg’s sister married Jacob Schiff. </p>
<p> He became a director of The Council on Foreign Relations at its founding in 1921, remaining on its board until he died. </p>
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<p>My study of the Federal Reserve Bank System and its iron grip and absolute control over our (and world’s) economy has led to my learning a lot about the banking families who founded it, why they founded it, and through intermarriage of those 7 families have maintained control over it to this day.</p>
<p>The wiki article about German Immigrants who became naturalized citizens will show you the origin of nearly all these banking families who intermarried to an almost incestuous degree &#8211; Goldman, Sachs, Lehman, Loeb, Jacob Schiff, Warburg, etc…</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The WH has to have been working on this for a while but I wonder if the Janko case had something to do with the timing of this story.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WH has to have been working on this for a while but I wonder if the Janko case had something to do with the timing of this story.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The article also contains one very strange quote: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“”Civil liberties groups have encouraged the administration, that if a prolonged detention system were to be sought, to do it through executive order,” the official said. Such an order could be rescinded and would not block later efforts to write legislation”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What “civil liberties” groups worthy of the name would promote this idea?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article also contains one very strange quote: </p>
<blockquote><p>“”Civil liberties groups have encouraged the administration, that if a prolonged detention system were to be sought, to do it through executive order,” the official said. Such an order could be rescinded and would not block later efforts to write legislation”</p>
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<p>What “civil liberties” groups worthy of the name would promote this idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wittes is another Michael O’Hanlon at the supposedly (LOL) liberal Brookings Institute.  He does law and has been an apologist for a lot of Bush’s terror policies.  Makes me wonder if Brookings was ever liberal or if it was always a haven for junior fascists.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wittes is another Michael O’Hanlon at the supposedly (LOL) liberal Brookings Institute.  He does law and has been an apologist for a lot of Bush’s terror policies.  Makes me wonder if Brookings was ever liberal or if it was always a haven for junior fascists.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We got Gonzo with Senate approval; imagine the horrors behind door number three if “inferior” offices are removed from Senate approval.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got Gonzo with Senate approval; imagine the horrors behind door number three if “inferior” offices are removed from Senate approval.</p>
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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
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		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do they really think they were elected by people like us in order to do stuff like this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No. Your point?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do they really think they were elected by people like us in order to do stuff like this?</p>
<p>No. Your point?</p>
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		<title>By: John Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think I must have overlapped with her when I was a grad student and she was an undergrad at Yale. I wish I’d known her then. She sounds like a mighty fine human being.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. </p>
<p>I think I must have overlapped with her when I was a grad student and she was an undergrad at Yale. I wish I’d known her then. She sounds like a mighty fine human being.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know about that, but I refuse to sit back and allow a decent woman’s professional reputation slide in the crapper because people who ought to know better don’t bother to care.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That just pisses me off beyond all ability to be reasonable, frankly.  Dawn is an incredibly nice and decent human being, and she deserves far better than this.  Above and beyond the rule of law and the fact that it’s the right thing to do for the country, it’s just the decent thing to do as a human being who gives a crap about good people serving their government.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know about that, but I refuse to sit back and allow a decent woman’s professional reputation slide in the crapper because people who ought to know better don’t bother to care.</p>
<p>That just pisses me off beyond all ability to be reasonable, frankly.  Dawn is an incredibly nice and decent human being, and she deserves far better than this.  Above and beyond the rule of law and the fact that it’s the right thing to do for the country, it’s just the decent thing to do as a human being who gives a crap about good people serving their government.</p>
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		<title>By: BargainCountertenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BargainCountertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Attainder isn’t applicable here.  A bill of attainder is a law passed penalizing individuals legislatively.  There aren’t any ex post facto laws nor any bills of attainder involved in this one.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a habeas corpus matter, pure and simple.  The Shrub set up Star Chambers that imprisoned people without trial, and the Obama administration hasn’t worked to reverse it at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attainder isn’t applicable here.  A bill of attainder is a law passed penalizing individuals legislatively.  There aren’t any ex post facto laws nor any bills of attainder involved in this one.  </p>
<p>This is a habeas corpus matter, pure and simple.  The Shrub set up Star Chambers that imprisoned people without trial, and the Obama administration hasn’t worked to reverse it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: John Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know who “they” are, but, what, Holder, Craig, Obama, who? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact is that they are playing right into the playbook of the wretched Wall Street Journal editorial board. Shame on them. Shame on them. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And while I’m at it, let me say that this is yet another reason why I am proud to be a Democrat: Unlike our friends across the aisle, we refuse to march in lockstep with the our ostensible “Betters” when we know in our hearts that they’re wrong.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know who “they” are, but, what, Holder, Craig, Obama, who? </p>
<p>The fact is that they are playing right into the playbook of the wretched Wall Street Journal editorial board. Shame on them. Shame on them. </p>
<p>And while I’m at it, let me say that this is yet another reason why I am proud to be a Democrat: Unlike our friends across the aisle, we refuse to march in lockstep with the our ostensible “Betters” when we know in our hearts that they’re wrong.</p>
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