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	<title>Comments on: Tortured Logic:  Judge Richard Leon Delivers Habeas Smackdown</title>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;we cannot simply pretend the last few years were an aberration, because they are now woven into the fabric of who we are as a nation. We either stand up and hold ourselves to account, or we are all torturers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;well, those who worked so hard to elect the current President are certainly on the hook karmically for his conduct, his bombing of civilians in Pakistan most recently, coverup and continuation of Bush’s torture policies, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but those who were not lured into supporting him? not so much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>we cannot simply pretend the last few years were an aberration, because they are now woven into the fabric of who we are as a nation. We either stand up and hold ourselves to account, or we are all torturers.</p>
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<p>well, those who worked so hard to elect the current President are certainly on the hook karmically for his conduct, his bombing of civilians in Pakistan most recently, coverup and continuation of Bush’s torture policies, etc.</p>
<p>but those who were not lured into supporting him? not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Synoia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Like Glenn, I continue to be very troubled by the tilt against transparency and double-standards for our own misconduct”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You need to face up to how Hypocrisy is endemic in the US.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In most of the ROW (rest of the world), children are encourage to challenge their teachers and schools to get the most from their education. Grades that matter for life are not assigned by teachers. They are assigned and reported by examiners who deliberately have no knowledge or relationship with the student. Thus exam result are a measure of success for both student and their teachers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is the US, because grading is very subjective, (an Apple for Teacher), and based upon the relationship between the teacher and the pupil, the education system is teaching people to “kiss up”, not think and learn. A second corrupting influence in the US school system is the continual pattern of discrimination in favor of special groups. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheerleaders and their uniforms are exempt from school dress codes (Thank you Texas).  Athletes are frequently given passes because of their position, scholarships are awarded for people destined to become professional athletes, so rewarding the potentially rich at taxpayers expense (Yes, INC and CNS I’m thinking of you).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What does the US public school system imbue in their pupils? Lessons of “kissing up” (not a respect for authority, a weird corruption of respect). Lessons of hypocrisy that there are privileged groups, and they receive special treatment and stand above others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you want to address hypocrisy,stop teaching it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Like Glenn, I continue to be very troubled by the tilt against transparency and double-standards for our own misconduct”</p>
<p>You need to face up to how Hypocrisy is endemic in the US.</p>
<p>In most of the ROW (rest of the world), children are encourage to challenge their teachers and schools to get the most from their education. Grades that matter for life are not assigned by teachers. They are assigned and reported by examiners who deliberately have no knowledge or relationship with the student. Thus exam result are a measure of success for both student and their teachers.</p>
<p>Is the US, because grading is very subjective, (an Apple for Teacher), and based upon the relationship between the teacher and the pupil, the education system is teaching people to “kiss up”, not think and learn. A second corrupting influence in the US school system is the continual pattern of discrimination in favor of special groups. </p>
<p>Cheerleaders and their uniforms are exempt from school dress codes (Thank you Texas).  Athletes are frequently given passes because of their position, scholarships are awarded for people destined to become professional athletes, so rewarding the potentially rich at taxpayers expense (Yes, INC and CNS I’m thinking of you).</p>
<p>What does the US public school system imbue in their pupils? Lessons of “kissing up” (not a respect for authority, a weird corruption of respect). Lessons of hypocrisy that there are privileged groups, and they receive special treatment and stand above others.</p>
<p>If you want to address hypocrisy,stop teaching it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;we cannot simply pretend the last few years were an aberration, because they are now woven into the fabric of who we are as a nation. We either stand up and hold ourselves to account, or we are all torturers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These words should be writ large over the Justice Dept.  Either that or we should wait until Eric Holder sleeps and tattoo them on his forehead.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>we cannot simply pretend the last few years were an aberration, because they are now woven into the fabric of who we are as a nation. We either stand up and hold ourselves to account, or we are all torturers.</p>
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<p>These words should be writ large over the Justice Dept.  Either that or we should wait until Eric Holder sleeps and tattoo them on his forehead.</p>
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		<title>By: beguiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>beguiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just can’t get over this fact:  First he’s tortured by the bad guys; Then he’s interrogated in an enhanced manner  by the good guys’ henchmen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just can’t get over this fact:  First he’s tortured by the bad guys; Then he’s interrogated in an enhanced manner  by the good guys’ henchmen.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;there’s so much gone wrong now, that it seems like one has to “pick your poison” or spend all your time chasing the various crooks. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s to a decision for Franken!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there’s so much gone wrong now, that it seems like one has to “pick your poison” or spend all your time chasing the various crooks. </p>
<p>Here’s to a decision for Franken!</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh please, oh please.  That needs to be over and done with ages ago…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, oh please.  That needs to be over and done with ages ago…</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good Morning Christy and Pups.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for your tireless efforts on this, Christy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The whole hideous problem, and all who caused it, MUST meet up with Lady Justice eventually.  Nothing less.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I notice Huckleberry’s developed a nervous tic in his left eye in a recent public appearance.  He knows the worth of his hollow words and postering.  Of course he does.  All the more reason for holding him in utter contempt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning Christy and Pups.</p>
<p>Thank you for your tireless efforts on this, Christy.</p>
<p>The whole hideous problem, and all who caused it, MUST meet up with Lady Justice eventually.  Nothing less.</p>
<p>I notice Huckleberry’s developed a nervous tic in his left eye in a recent public appearance.  He knows the worth of his hollow words and postering.  Of course he does.  All the more reason for holding him in utter contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Supposedly, it is opinion day in MN too. Here is hoping there is finis to Coleman.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supposedly, it is opinion day in MN too. Here is hoping there is finis to Coleman.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;btw, for folks watching the courts, it’s opinion day at SCOTUS.  One of the outstanding cases that is pending is the Ricci case.  I’ll try and keep an eye on what comes out as I can today…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, for folks watching the courts, it’s opinion day at SCOTUS.  One of the outstanding cases that is pending is the Ricci case.  I’ll try and keep an eye on what comes out as I can today…</p>
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