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	<title>Comments on: OLC:  The Question We Must All Ask</title>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/olc-the-question-we-must-all-ask/comment-page-1/#comment-11559</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;are you saying your fidelity to the Democratic Party is not the healthiest it has ever been?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;well great, thats a start.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but besides the terminological quibble, how &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the loyalty of the Progressive Netroots to the Democratic Party working out, post Howard Dean, just for example, which was an early high-water mark for netroots influence?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a recalcitrant congress who can’t even reward their most loyal and long-suffering constituency,  Labor, with the Employee Free Choice Act? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Single Payer, widely supported and needed, off the table?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A Democrat in the White House, prolonging and extending Bush’s failed, missionless wars, and covering up for Bush’s criminal torturers, stiff-arming the vaunted ‘rule of law’ FDL has spent years catechizing? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ah yes, there is the Supreme Court nomination coming up, the trump card, the reason for voting Democratic, no matter what. we’ll see what paragon of Progressive values Obama nominates for that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you saying your fidelity to the Democratic Party is not the healthiest it has ever been?</p>
<p>well great, thats a start.</p>
<p>but besides the terminological quibble, how <em>is</em> the loyalty of the Progressive Netroots to the Democratic Party working out, post Howard Dean, just for example, which was an early high-water mark for netroots influence?</p>
<p>a recalcitrant congress who can’t even reward their most loyal and long-suffering constituency,  Labor, with the Employee Free Choice Act? </p>
<p>Single Payer, widely supported and needed, off the table?</p>
<p>A Democrat in the White House, prolonging and extending Bush’s failed, missionless wars, and covering up for Bush’s criminal torturers, stiff-arming the vaunted ‘rule of law’ FDL has spent years catechizing? </p>
<p>ah yes, there is the Supreme Court nomination coming up, the trump card, the reason for voting Democratic, no matter what. we’ll see what paragon of Progressive values Obama nominates for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If not now, the when?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s what I thought about the last election … if after eight years of the most inept, morally bankrupt, corrupt and criminal administration we couldn’t manage to elect someone who had a chance of reversing the devastating course we were on -we would be well and truly ‘hosed’.  Then Obama became the nominee.  I was more than willing to be proved wrong about him but that hasn’t happened and all the data to date suggest it never will.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If not now, the when?</p>
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<p>That’s what I thought about the last election … if after eight years of the most inept, morally bankrupt, corrupt and criminal administration we couldn’t manage to elect someone who had a chance of reversing the devastating course we were on -we would be well and truly ‘hosed’.  Then Obama became the nominee.  I was more than willing to be proved wrong about him but that hasn’t happened and all the data to date suggest it never will.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dude, ” undying fidelity”?  How are things on the Planet Strawman today?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, ” undying fidelity”?  How are things on the Planet Strawman today?</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’ve been feeling the same way, phred. But I’ll be damned if I’m ging to throw my hands up and walk away without at least trying to hold them accountable. Someone has to, you know?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The question is, how to best do that? What’s the most effective course? I’ve been ruminating on that a LOT lately. If folks have ideas, I’d love to hear them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here is an idea: make support for the Democratic Party contingent on their enactment of policies they campaign to enact?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;then&lt;/em&gt; if they sell you out on almost everything - phred provides a good starting list - use your bully pulpit to publicly ponder the pros and cons of 3rd parties? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;maybe erode the taboo a little bit, and also serve notice to the Democrats that the support of everyone to the left of Lieberman, and now Specter, cannot simply be taken for granted, but has to be earned?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;crazy I know, but how is the undying fidelity and co-dependency thing working out? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Single-payer is off the table, and Obama is continuing the flow of &lt;em&gt;trillions&lt;/em&gt; of dollars to Wall Street, and expanding the murder of civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan? How bad does the least worst have to be before people of conscience say &lt;strong&gt;Enough&lt;/strong&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’ve been feeling the same way, phred. But I’ll be damned if I’m ging to throw my hands up and walk away without at least trying to hold them accountable. Someone has to, you know?</p>
<p>The question is, how to best do that? What’s the most effective course? I’ve been ruminating on that a LOT lately. If folks have ideas, I’d love to hear them.</p>
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<p>here is an idea: make support for the Democratic Party contingent on their enactment of policies they campaign to enact?</p>
<p><em>then</em> if they sell you out on almost everything &#8211; phred provides a good starting list &#8211; use your bully pulpit to publicly ponder the pros and cons of 3rd parties? </p>
<p>maybe erode the taboo a little bit, and also serve notice to the Democrats that the support of everyone to the left of Lieberman, and now Specter, cannot simply be taken for granted, but has to be earned?</p>
<p>crazy I know, but how is the undying fidelity and co-dependency thing working out? </p>
<p>Single-payer is off the table, and Obama is continuing the flow of <em>trillions</em> of dollars to Wall Street, and expanding the murder of civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan? How bad does the least worst have to be before people of conscience say <strong>Enough</strong>!</p>
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		<title>By: greenharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your Oxdown diary, JimWhite.  I’ve both emailed and phoned my own Senators (Kennedy &amp; Kerry) with your no-McChrystal-until-Johnsen idea.  On the phone I’ve mentioned that Pat Tillman’s parents oppose McC. and why.   Then did Reid, Durbin, &amp; Feingold.  They all ask me for money.  Turnabout is fair play.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;TC just now to Senator Whitehouse’s office with JimWhite’s proposed ploy elicited an interested tone of voice in the staffer.  He said, in the interested tone of voice, that he’d pass it along to the Senator.  Also called Senator Leahy’s office with the same message.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We soldier on.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your Oxdown diary, JimWhite.  I’ve both emailed and phoned my own Senators (Kennedy &amp; Kerry) with your no-McChrystal-until-Johnsen idea.  On the phone I’ve mentioned that Pat Tillman’s parents oppose McC. and why.   Then did Reid, Durbin, &amp; Feingold.  They all ask me for money.  Turnabout is fair play.</p>
<p>TC just now to Senator Whitehouse’s office with JimWhite’s proposed ploy elicited an interested tone of voice in the staffer.  He said, in the interested tone of voice, that he’d pass it along to the Senator.  Also called Senator Leahy’s office with the same message.</p>
<p>We soldier on.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;in response to reading your post and comment, i just pulled out my copy. it’s been a few years since the last time i read it and now i’m feeling inspired to read it again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here’s the amazon link:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Doing-Democracy-Bill-Moyer/dp/0865714185&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Doing-De.....0865714185&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in response to reading your post and comment, i just pulled out my copy. it’s been a few years since the last time i read it and now i’m feeling inspired to read it again.</p>
<p>here’s the amazon link:<br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Doing-Democracy-Bill-Moyer/dp/0865714185" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Doing-De&#8230;..0865714185</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;btw, more on OLC issues in &lt;a href=&quot;http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/olc-is-ben-nelson-using-dawn-johnsens-nomination-to-fish-for-a-prize/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a fresh post up top&lt;/a&gt;, for folks who want a further read on Ben Nelson in particular&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, more on OLC issues in <a href="http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/olc-is-ben-nelson-using-dawn-johnsens-nomination-to-fish-for-a-prize/" rel="nofollow">a fresh post up top</a>, for folks who want a further read on Ben Nelson in particular</p>
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		<title>By: oldgold</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agreed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks!  Will definitely give it a read — I could really use some inspiration at the moment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  Will definitely give it a read — I could really use some inspiration at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks !&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks !</p>
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