SCOTUS: Douglas Kmiec Explains Federalist Society Opposition Tack

During the press call regarding the Dawn Johnsen nomination the other day, I asked former Reagan/Bush 1 OLC head Doug Kmiec about the right using the law as their political flashpoint — especially in the Obama administration the last few weeks.

Why some people will say one thing and then do the exact opposite always troubles me.  And none more so than pseudo-rule of law sticklers who use their public legal support pronouncements to cover writing and promulgating the torture memos out of OLC.

Or opposition to well-qualified nominees like Dawn Johnsen and Harold Koh, or whomever may be the next SCOTUS nominee in the current context.

Kmiec’s response was intriguing:

That’s an interesting thought as to why law is the flashpoint, rather than some other policy venue or area, although we see it a little bit with Kathleen Sebelieus and the health topic as well.

But I…if I was to venture a supposition, it would be that I think the lawyers have never ceased to be organized. [chuckle from Walter Delinger in the background] They are…the loyal opposition, as it were, is loyally intense opposition.

The loss of Senator McCain was felt by my colleagues in the Federalist Society very deeply. Because it seemed to them to be a signal that all that they had worked for in terms of the principles of original understanding and that type of constitutional method and judicial restraint was now…now lost.

So I think when you have individuals such as Dean Koh and Professor Johnsen, they become the poster children for aiming this sense of regret about the last electoral outcome.

And that here the great ability to argue for common ground has not taken as much root because the ground is just simply harder and rockier than it is in other…in the area of other social questions or in the area of other policy questions.

And you do have this opposition, as I say, that has a well-established organization where people think along similar lines, that maintains a well-presented set of arguments every day in terms of the blogosphere as well as through conservative magazines and the like.

I may be speaking by virtue of spending all of my time in this carnival rather than visiting other circuses, but I get the sense when I just surf around the net outside of my forest — I’ve mixed a lot of metaphors there — when I’ve searched outside of my area, that the organization of others to some degree gave the President either the benefit of the doubt to find common ground on policy questions or were so intellectually exhausted and spent that they needed time to regroup. Whereas the lawyers just simply maintained their anger and resentment and disagreeableness, and have now channeled that to some degree toward these nominees.

If anyone thinks this will dissipate instead of ratchet upward in intensity for a SCOTUS nominee, think again.

Wouldn’t it be nice if media outlets recognized and identified particular biases and agendas for their interviewees out loud and up front so that people reading or watching would have that information in hand to fully evaluate what is said?

Note that there is no room for compromise, regret or bending. 

It is an "our way or nothing" strategy that is found not just within the Federalist Society but within the GOP conception of "bipartisanship" as well.  If anyone in the Democratic leadership thinks this is something to be negotiated away or overcome over time, they are only fooling themselves.  This is a cultural choice among Republican leadership and strategy, and a tactical choice that is made precisely because they view the Democratic side as weak and liable to compromise.

Because they do.

Time to pick up the Sun Tzu and the Machiavelli, kids.  It’s going to be an ugly slog through the next few years without some changes.  But changes will require scrutiny, sunlight and exposure — and I’m not at all confident that these entrenched problems will get remotely enough of any of the above.  You?

 
40 Responses to "SCOTUS: Douglas Kmiec Explains Federalist Society Opposition Tack"
foothillsmike | Tuesday May 5, 2009 06:44 am 1

Morning Christy. I keep hearing this pro abortion thing with regard to an Obama nominee. I consider the question to be a religious one. Therefore isn’t a consideration of this an application of a religious test in violation of the constitution?


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday May 5, 2009 06:55 am 2
In response to foothillsmike @ 1

It is a religious question for a number of the people who oppose it, and that’s one of the many reasons that nominees usually skirt a specific answer on it — along with the fact that they shouldn’t pre-judge cases prior to them reaching the bench.

But it’s not just a religious question in terms of how it can be used politically by all sides of the political spectrum. So it will likely keep being asked — and dodged — because it’s such an emotional issue for everyone. Gone are the days when legal qualifications were the only thing to look at, sad to say.


DWBartoo | Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:05 am 3

Good morning, Christy.

“… scrutiny, sunlight and exposure …”

More of the above!

Will it be ‘enough’?

Unless “the people”, finding their conscience and humanity, weigh in …?

Definitely not.

And “… an ugly slog …” in any case.

However, such ‘hope’ as there may be owes much to you, Christy, and to all who stand for what truly matters (truth, justice and what we used to understand as the “American way”) and have the courage to speak, act and insist upon needful and meaningful ‘change’, not two dimes and a nickel.

Thank you, Christy for all that you dare to do.

DW


foothillsmike | Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:07 am 4

But if it is a religious question that is moved into a political arena doesn’t it still remain a religious question? Therefore doesn’t the asking of it or using it as a reason to reject a nominee violate the application of a religious test section of the constitution?


oldgold | Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:14 am 5

Well, we have seen the horrors of a preemptive war. Now, we are going to experience preemptive obstructionism. The results will be no better.

Before a nominee can even be put forward to fill Souter’s position, the forces that seemingly missed the enlightment and age of reason are assailing a nonexistent nominee. As with most things these neo-con ass-clowns are involved in, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:15 am 6
In response to foothillsmike @ 4

I think it could be if that were the only question surrounding it. But people who are pro-choice ask questions in a health/political context as well — and that opens the door for continued questioning on it above and beyond the religious context. As well as the political uses for it on the anti-abortion side, especially to push fundraising buttons if nothing else. Although, frankly, those get pushed on all sides of the issue.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:16 am 7
In response to oldgold @ 5

Beyond frustrating, isn’t it? I wanted to get this out there sooner rather than later to at least get some thought going on background for folks who rush to the microphones immediately.

Because some thought would be awfully nice in a whole host of contexts right now.


DWBartoo | Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:27 am 8
In response to foothillsmike @ 4

Rationally, mike, your question is spot-on.

Probably the “average” person could be able to discern (after suitable encouragement in the “thought” and “history” departments) the nature of your reasonable concern.

But we are, after all, speaking of politicians and their sometimes less than thoughtful ’supporters’, this is not a group much noted for courage or independent thought. By their ‘nature’, most politicians, being narcissists or worse, as we have lately seen, are seekers of ‘advantage’ not of truth.

Perhaps, contrary what the R’s would have us believe, the ‘problem’ is not ‘government’ but those who would be politicians?

Even if this is so, one doubts that either political party, of the two which comprise the effective ‘total’ of our Political Cla$$, would ever say so. It would not be in their ‘interest’.

I guess that that is the best we may hope to understand of those who, with America’s New Ari$tocracy at the fore, so competently lead us into the unknown future, given our “representative” form of democracy.


DWBartoo | Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:36 am 9

OT …

Speaking of politicians, I have just heard that some democrats are joining with republicans in opposing Obama’s “tax haven” intentions.

Collegial comity at its best. The Political Cla$$ always has the best interests of “the people” at heart, just ask them.

;~(


perris | Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:45 am 10

Because it seemed to them to be a signal that all that they had worked for in terms of the principles of original understanding and that type of constitutional method and judicial restraint was now…now lost.

this is like saying water should be dry, they have not worked toward original understanding they have worked the antithesis, they have not worked for “judicial restraint” they WANT “activisim” when it furthers their robber baron view of the world, it’s only “activism” to them if the justice decides the constitution gives rights to people over corporations or profit


demi | Tuesday May 5, 2009 07:49 am 11

Good Morning All,
What a heavy conversation to wake up to. I don’t know exactly where to start.
The question about where a candidate stands on the abortion issue of course can be seen as a religious view, but that’s just one aspect of their makeup and view. It also is symptomatic of man people’s fundamentalist beliefs. Tied in there somewhere is that pesky authoritarian personality.
Recently, I’ve read that a high percentage of church going evangelists support torture. Sure they do. They are good followers; good little sheep. They enjoy being part of the group thought. It’s easier than being a human who practices critical thought, standing up for real personal beliefs and holding themselves and others to accountability.
So, I’m not really surprised that the losing team is making whichever person becomes the nominee for SCJ the target of their disappointments and regrets.
The only response I have this morning is to keep staying alert, and I thank Christy for her courage to keep the information coming! I know what we can’t do, which is to fall into the traps that their agenda leaves open for us.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:27 am 12
In response to demi @ 11

Recently, I’ve read that a high percentage of church going evangelists support torture. Sure they do.

I’ve seen those survey findings as well, and they leave me puzzled. As I understand Christian doctrine, Christ went forward to be tortured and killed with full knowledge of what was going to happen. There is a big moral divide between an informed participant and an unwilling victim. These people know that (or certainly ought to) and yet … they support torture. It makes no sense to me at all.

And on top of that, torture doesn’t work. Stockholm syndrome works.


demi | Tuesday May 5, 2009 08:47 am 13
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 12

Unfortunately, I think they those religious types are standing up for what the “government of man” says far more than standing up to what Jesus came to teach. It doesn’t make much sense to me either, but that’s how I see what they are doing.
I spent the last year going to a very fundamentalist church. I did so knowingly. I wanted to get on the inside and see what makes them tick. When I disagreed with a particularly noxious and judging point of view, I was always told It’s in the bible. I would point out another scripture, like, But, Jesus came into this world not to condemn the world, they would accuse me of cherry-picking scripture.
It was a very interesting year. I call it a sabbatical from attending my home church and am considering writing about my experience.


wagonjak | Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:22 am 14

From Kmiec….”They are…the loyal opposition, as it were, is loyally intense opposition.”

A huge HUUUH?! Did Doug really say this or is this a transcribing error Christy?


wagonjak | Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:24 am 15

Right on paragraph CHS!

“It is an “our way or nothing” strategy that is found not just within the Federalist Society but within the GOP conception of “bipartisanship” as well. If anyone in the Democratic leadership thinks this is something to be negotiated away or overcome over time, they are only fooling themselves. This is a cultural choice among Republican leadership and strategy, and a tactical choice that is made precisely because they view the Democratic side as weak and liable to compromise.”


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:26 am 16
In response to wagonjak @ 14

He said that, and I put in a link to the entire call recording above for folks to listen to themselves if they wanted to do so. when I transcribe, I check and doublecheck to be certain I haven’t mistyped or misworded. But feel free to doublecheck it — my question came at the very end of the conference call, but I didn’t note the exact time left — it was somewhere around the 4:30 or after to go in the call mark, I believe.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:30 am 17

That call recording link above, btw, is in an mp3 format. I saved it to my iTunes so I could easily replay sections to transcribe what I’ve reported on thus far. The mp3 player that PFAW used wasn’t conducive to the back and forth I needed to accurately get the answers transcribed, but the iTunes tool worked perfectly for that.


AZ Matt | Tuesday May 5, 2009 09:40 am 18

Time to pick up the Sun Tzu and the Machiavelli, kids. It’s going to be an ugly slog through the next few years without some changes.

Frankly, I am more of the fan of Patton, just run them over. Or General Grant, just wear them down, grind them into the dirt. If that sounds hard, tough for the Federalists because they are remains of the Rovian permanent Republican majority and I would like them dug out.


wagonjak | Tuesday May 5, 2009 12:44 pm 19

I agree with AZ Matt here…every time I watch cable news, the questions are always framed within Republican talking points. And the nasty rhetoric I hear from Republican pundits and politicians every time they appear, and the weak and “nice” responses I hear from the Dems make me want to cry!

Obama himself has gone out of his way to be polite and careful in the things he says…but until he and the other Dem leaders start to come up with more assertive and attacking responses, the game field will always be tilted towards the Republicans in the MSM.

Remember with what contempt Bush and his spokespersons treated the WH reporters, and how like whipped dogs, they ate it up!

Time for O and the Dems to turn up the temperature!

And Matt, if the AZ part means you live in Arizona, I feel sorry for you. I was brought up there, and am soo glad to be living in Northern CA these days,


AZ Matt | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:22 pm 20
In response to wagonjak @ 19

Ya, Arizona but was raised in northern California!


runfastandwin | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:36 pm 21

Shorter version, Federalist Society worldview:

Do as I say, and not as I do, it’s good for me but nor for you.


flounder | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:43 pm 22

I think that neutering Jeff Sessions by putting him on defense as a bigot would go a long way to smoothing things over.
-Liberal groups need to make commercials using footage of his failed judicial confirmation hearing in which he definitely comes out looking like a racist.
-In concert they need to advertise the racist roots of “constructionist”, “states rights”, and “activist judge”.
-By making their point man and his favorite screeds toxic, Republicans will be playing defense and talking about race; that is not what they want to be doing with a black president.


NorskeFlamethrower | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:43 pm 23

AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Hardin Smith and thE Firepup Freedom Fighters:

You are surprised that there is a well organized and well funded group of legal Brown Shirts who believe that the rule of law simply a political slogan or a hammer to be used on the common people of this country??!! Isn’t it about time to recognize that EVERYTHING has been politicized since 1954 and it’s time to play the game of politics for keeps??!! This means it’s time to put the Federalist Society and all it’s members on the Terrorist Watch List and start callin’ these people what they are: facists with law degrees.

The good liberals in the Weimar didn’t learn this lesson until they were into their second day in the concentration camps.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THIS IS OUR WAR AND NOBODY’S GUNNA FIGHT IT FOR US!!!


landreau | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:44 pm 24

Funny– At our weekly match last Sunday, I mentioned my reverence for Sun Tzu’s Art of War to my table tennis partner, who is from Taiwan (we’re both in our mid-50’s). He looked at me and smiled. “Sun Tzu Bing Fa is the greatest book ever written,” he said. He may be right, though Bible scholars might disagree.


wagonjak | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:45 pm 25

AZ Matt…C’mon HOME Matt, and become Humboldt Matt!


Prairie Sunshine | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:47 pm 26

WT? Specter thinks Coleman should be seated? And this is the guy the Dems think they can count on?


AZ Matt | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:47 pm 27
In response to wagonjak @ 25

Grew up in Redding.


cbl2 | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:55 pm 28
In response to Prairie Sunshine @ 26

got link ?


cbl2 | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:57 pm 29
In response to AZ Matt @ 27

spent many a summer east of there in Modoc County – family tells me I wouldn’t recognize Redding now.

been meaning to ask if you have been following We Shall Remain on PBS – wondering about your impressions


Prairie Sunshine | Tuesday May 5, 2009 01:59 pm 30
In response to cbl2 @ 28

Just put it in a diary….from an interview article coming in NYT Magazine, per HuffPo.


foothillsmike | Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:01 pm 31
In response to cbl2 @ 28

cbl2 | Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:02 pm 32
In response to Prairie Sunshine @ 30

just now saw your diary and left with a recommend.

un effing believable


AZ Matt | Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:08 pm 33
In response to cbl2 @ 29

Used to go over to Cedarville and Eagleville back in the ’60’s. I remember Redding when it 9,000. Now it is over 100,00 in the greater Redding area.

Don’t have TV so haven’t seen the series.


karnak12 | Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:30 pm 34
In response to NorskeFlamethrower @ 23

Norsk, we can’t even get them to put a cap on credit card usury, and you think it’s possible to get these idiots put on a terrorism watch list?

Not gonna happen.


jackie | Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:34 pm 35

Wow.. RIP Mr DeLuise :(

Report: Actor Dom DeLuise Dies At 75
Comedy Actor Was 75

POSTED: Tuesday, May 5, 2009
UPDATED: 12:38 pm EDT May 5, 2009

Frazer Harrison/Getty Images
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He was 75.

According to the celebrity gossip site, DeLuise died “peacefully in his sleep” at around 6 p.m. Monday night at a hospital in Los Angeles.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/…..ail.html#-


perris | Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:35 pm 36

I want to point out the controlling block in the federalist society is the koch brothers, the main reason they exist, the main reason the kato institute exists and most of right wing talk radio


AZ Matt | Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:36 pm 37

OT- From NYT’s:

Charges Seen as Unlikely for Lawyers Over Interrogations

By DAVID JOHNSTON and SCOTT SHANE
Published: May 5, 2009
WASHINGTON — An internal Justice Department inquiry into the conduct of Bush administration lawyers who wrote secret memorandums authorizing brutal interrogations has concluded that the authors committed serious lapses of judgment but should not be criminally prosecuted, according to government officials briefed on a draft of the findings.


cbl2 | Tuesday May 5, 2009 02:48 pm 38
In response to AZ Matt @ 37

some of the resident legal eagles are swatting at the NYT pinata as we speak – over at Empty’s place

eg – Mary points out it’s not really within OPR’s mandate to recommend criminal anything – they’re all about ethical lapses, etc.

… although the Times does mention some e-mail connections :D


john in sacramento | Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:00 pm 39

Thanks Christie

This narrative is what we all know that they use, but still it needs to be repeated over and over and over and over and …

These people are radical-activist-far-right-fringe-extremists whose entire purpose is to further a fanatical-corporatist-plutocratic agenda through the courts. They don’t have the interests of the country or it’s citizens at heart … only their own self-centered interests.

And today it begins with Orrin Hatch who is playing Obama by opening a ‘non-radical‘ (read: not liberal or progressive) Overton Window. His purpose is to begin the framing of the debate. And which will be picked up by others who will try to run down the merits of any of the nominees

It is, according to a conservative activist, a way to “condition the environment” — to put information out there about those considered to be bad nominees.

Our job, should we choose to accept it, is to counter them through facts. Facts that the American people share our values and that the court should reflect those values


earlofhuntingdon | Tuesday May 5, 2009 04:17 pm 40

Thanks for keeping these nominations and this issue on the front burner. Koh and Johnsen’s nominations are essential for resuscitating the agencies they’ve been nominated to advise or run. They are also canaries in the political coal mine for Sup. Ct. nominations as well as how purported Senate “Democrats” are acting as anything but.


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