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Tortured Law: Chat With ACLU’s Jameel Jaffer on Thursday at 3 pm ET/12 pm PT

On Thursday afternoon, we’ll host a live chat at 3 pm ET/12 pm PT with ACLU’s Jameel Jaffer regarding the recent release of the OLC memos and the need for more in-depth examination of how torture became official US policy. 

Please take a moment to sign our petition regarding the need for an outside prosecutor to investigate the torture allegations.

Jameel penned thoughts that are particularly on point as to why this exposure is necessary. From the top down:

…the methods described in the memos are illegal under both domestic and international law, and they were illegal when the Bush administration endorsed them. For years, the U.S. State Department’s human rights reports have described these methods as torture. And after the Second World War, the United States prosecuted Japanese commanders for having inflicted some of the methods that the memos purport to authorize. It does not compromise national security to broadcast to the world that the US will eschew methods that are criminal under US and international law, that the State Department has described as torture, and that the United States has previously prosecuted as war crimes. Indeed, to propose that the nation’s security would be compromised by that message is to propose that the nation’s security would be compromised by the rule of law.

Nor will it be unfortunate if CIA interrogators hesitate before relying on legal advice that strikes them as implausible or wrong. Indeed, there is something astounding about a former attorney general characterizing this kind of hesitation as ‘timidity’. Anyone who reads the memos will understand immediately that the CIA and Justice Department each sought to absolve itself from responsibility for torture by basing its actions on transparently worthless assurances from the other. It would be a good thing if CIA interrogators hesitated before entering into this kind of arrangement again.

Collusion or top-down orders were no valid excuse at Nuremberg. Nor should they be here in the United States, regardless of who may have broken faith with the will of the people by breaking them.  And no amount of diversionary tactics or shiny objects should be allowed to deflect the fact that this is a nation of laws. 

I hope you will join us for what promises to be an excellent discussion this Thursday at 3 pm ET/12 pm PT.

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5 Responses to "Tortured Law: Chat With ACLU’s Jameel Jaffer on Thursday at 3 pm ET/12 pm PT"
Alison | Tuesday April 21, 2009 10:38 am 1

It will be a great afternoon at the Lake once we start parsing Obama’s recent statement, intimating that a special prosecutor might be just the ticket.


Alison | Tuesday April 21, 2009 10:50 am 2

I reread the WaPo article: they are talking about an independent commission, not a special prosecutor.

I think an SP would be better.


Curious | Tuesday April 21, 2009 02:49 pm 3

Looking forward to the chat.


cbl2 | Tuesday April 21, 2009 09:53 pm 4

Christy,

Elizabeth de la Vega making the argument against rushing in to a Special Prosecutor –

thought you would enjoy reading it if you hadn’t seen it already – would love of course to hear your thoughts


Leen | Wednesday April 22, 2009 06:14 am 5

Good News. Hey Christy. Any way I can get back on at the mothership? The moderator bumped me there after I would not back down on the I/P issue. No foul language. Just challenges.

Emptywheel graciously kept me on. I can also post on the other threads just not at the mothership. Come on I know I ask some good questions. Can you get me back on?

Would really like to be able to ask Jameel some direct questions


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