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	<title>Comments on: Even More Hot Water For Jane Harman?  NYTimes Corroborates CQ Story</title>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;She just contacted Haim Saban etc  and asked him to contact the DOJ&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She just contacted Haim Saban etc  and asked him to contact the DOJ</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Have been posting this four part series all over the blogosphere for five years.  Great to have others posting it&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have been posting this four part series all over the blogosphere for five years.  Great to have others posting it</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is quite late, but NPR interview Harmon this afternoon.  She was outraged and strident.   She couldn’t remember anything about any such conversation, so she wants to see a transcript…and the whole thing may be illegal.    She added that those Congress folks talk to a lot of people…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite late, but NPR interview Harmon this afternoon.  She was outraged and strident.   She couldn’t remember anything about any such conversation, so she wants to see a transcript…and the whole thing may be illegal.    She added that those Congress folks talk to a lot of people…</p>
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		<title>By: burqa</title>
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		<dc:creator>burqa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;She apparently didn’t contact DOJ or FBI so far as anyone has come forward on it as yet. But did she contact someone at the WH — which has supervisory capacity over the DOJ, since it’s an executive branch agency? Dunno.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Was there some quid pro quo completed? Dunno.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t like open-ended, serious questions that are far from answered by carefully worded and narrow denials. I’ve found through the years that if I have to parse something that carefully, then whatever I’m trying to balance between is likely a wee bit shark-infested somewhere.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Those are some mighty big Dunnos, there.&lt;br /&gt;
Convicting someone on speculation of that sort is the kind of violation of American values we see protested so vehemently elsewhere, besides this issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the OP:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Above and beyond questions of being a traitor to the nation by offering to give a hand to an accused spy by “waddling into” an ongoing criminal investigation in exchange for personal job favors? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We really should be careful about using a word like “traitor” so loosely. Some words, like “holocaust” need to be carefully used lest they be drained of their meaning and “traitor” is one of them, in my view.&lt;br /&gt;
Even if Harmon did what is alleged, it doesn’t make her a “traitor.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But Harman also stands accused of screwing over the entire Democratic party — and the country — by stifling the NSA domestic wiretapping story before the 2004 election. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This, I agree with.&lt;br /&gt;
There are too many ifs and maybes to this story so far to be drawing conclusions just yet.&lt;br /&gt;
It seems Harmon’s party would have gained much had the story come out then and been enough to get Kerry elected, and Harmon by extension would have gained much  as well, particularly if she let it be known she had been asked to try to spike the story.&lt;br /&gt;
So there are parts of the allegation which are not quite adding up.&lt;br /&gt;
So let’s wait before concluding all the speculation is spot on….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>She apparently didn’t contact DOJ or FBI so far as anyone has come forward on it as yet. But did she contact someone at the WH — which has supervisory capacity over the DOJ, since it’s an executive branch agency? Dunno.</p>
<p>Was there some quid pro quo completed? Dunno.</p>
<p>I don’t like open-ended, serious questions that are far from answered by carefully worded and narrow denials. I’ve found through the years that if I have to parse something that carefully, then whatever I’m trying to balance between is likely a wee bit shark-infested somewhere.</p>
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<p>Those are some mighty big Dunnos, there.<br />
Convicting someone on speculation of that sort is the kind of violation of American values we see protested so vehemently elsewhere, besides this issue.</p>
<p>From the OP:</p>
<blockquote><p>Above and beyond questions of being a traitor to the nation by offering to give a hand to an accused spy by “waddling into” an ongoing criminal investigation in exchange for personal job favors? </p>
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<p>We really should be careful about using a word like “traitor” so loosely. Some words, like “holocaust” need to be carefully used lest they be drained of their meaning and “traitor” is one of them, in my view.<br />
Even if Harmon did what is alleged, it doesn’t make her a “traitor.”</p>
<blockquote><p>But Harman also stands accused of screwing over the entire Democratic party — and the country — by stifling the NSA domestic wiretapping story before the 2004 election. </p>
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<p>This, I agree with.<br />
There are too many ifs and maybes to this story so far to be drawing conclusions just yet.<br />
It seems Harmon’s party would have gained much had the story come out then and been enough to get Kerry elected, and Harmon by extension would have gained much  as well, particularly if she let it be known she had been asked to try to spike the story.<br />
So there are parts of the allegation which are not quite adding up.<br />
So let’s wait before concluding all the speculation is spot on….</p>
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		<title>By: greenwarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI…..From Stein’s article that you link to in the beginning of your article above:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Pelosi and Hastert never did get the briefing.”  Apparently once Gonzalez squashed the investigation, the wheels stopped turning.  Stein talks about this after he talks about Gonzalez squashing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI…..From Stein’s article that you link to in the beginning of your article above:</p>
<p>“Pelosi and Hastert never did get the briefing.”  Apparently once Gonzalez squashed the investigation, the wheels stopped turning.  Stein talks about this after he talks about Gonzalez squashing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are, but using data parameters for archival search often strips out other content which may provide analysis of events long after they happen.  Been doing this for years now as a consultant, and there’s simply not a perfect search methodology without using a lot of human-based fuzzy logic.  (Just look at all the analysis happening NOW based on activities which happened in 2005-2006…there must have been something well after this info about Harman first emerged.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hoping &lt;a href=&quot;http://gizmodo.com/5167257/wolfram-alpha-search-engine-will-answer-all-your-questions-take-us-to-infinity-and-beyond&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wolfram’s new Alpha Search&lt;/a&gt; will soon provide some better competing options…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are, but using data parameters for archival search often strips out other content which may provide analysis of events long after they happen.  Been doing this for years now as a consultant, and there’s simply not a perfect search methodology without using a lot of human-based fuzzy logic.  (Just look at all the analysis happening NOW based on activities which happened in 2005-2006…there must have been something well after this info about Harman first emerged.)</p>
<p>Hoping <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5167257/wolfram-alpha-search-engine-will-answer-all-your-questions-take-us-to-infinity-and-beyond" rel="nofollow">Wolfram’s new Alpha Search</a> will soon provide some better competing options…</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But then again, that is what Goss says?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then again, that is what Goss says?</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But the former intelligence official familiar with the matter noted that Goss has given only one on-the-record interview on these CIA controversies since leaving the CIA director job. In the December 2007 interview, he said that Congressional leaders including Representatives Pelosi and Harman, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), had been briefed on CIA waterboarding back in 2002. “Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing,” Goss told the Washington Post. “And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who was the lone person the article identified as objecting to the program?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jane Harman.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Interesting. Jane Harman objected to waterboarding. And now the 183 x waterboarding story. And now Jane Harman and alleged AIPAC.&lt;br /&gt;
I somehow considered Jane Harman republikanlite and Nancy Pelosi well . . .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But the former intelligence official familiar with the matter noted that Goss has given only one on-the-record interview on these CIA controversies since leaving the CIA director job. In the December 2007 interview, he said that Congressional leaders including Representatives Pelosi and Harman, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), had been briefed on CIA waterboarding back in 2002. “Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing,” Goss told the Washington Post. “And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement.”</p>
<p>Who was the lone person the article identified as objecting to the program?</p>
<p>Jane Harman.”</p>
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Interesting. Jane Harman objected to waterboarding. And now the 183 x waterboarding story. And now Jane Harman and alleged AIPAC.<br />
I somehow considered Jane Harman republikanlite and Nancy Pelosi well . . .</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are search options that allows one to find material between specified dates or before (or after) other dates.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are search options that allows one to find material between specified dates or before (or after) other dates.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“Congresswoman Harman has never contacted the Justice Department about its prosecution of present or former Aipac employees.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ooookayyy!  Perhaps the DOJ (i.e. AG AG) contacted Congresswoman Harmon first?  :-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“Congresswoman Harman has never contacted the Justice Department about its prosecution of present or former Aipac employees.”</p>
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<p>Ooookayyy!  Perhaps the DOJ (i.e. AG AG) contacted Congresswoman Harmon first?  :-)</p>
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