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		<title>By: SunnyNobility</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/obamas-tortured-logic-on-bagram/#comment-9109</link>
		<dc:creator>SunnyNobility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Insulting our intelligence and intentionally sowing confusion.   Despicable. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An old southern expression:  all them smiles and dimples don’t count for nothin’…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insulting our intelligence and intentionally sowing confusion.   Despicable. </p>
<p>An old southern expression:  all them smiles and dimples don’t count for nothin’…..</p>
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		<title>By: DrZen</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/obamas-tortured-logic-on-bagram/#comment-9108</link>
		<dc:creator>DrZen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;selise is right. He hopes to heal America’s image with bullshit. “Each country must work through its past” is really pushing it though, given that he’s said he doesn’t want to do exactly that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>selise is right. He hopes to heal America’s image with bullshit. “Each country must work through its past” is really pushing it though, given that he’s said he doesn’t want to do exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David Corn to Gaffney “Frank we’re you against the Nuremberg Trials”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You go David&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Matthews blew a fuse ya hoo&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chris Matthews ” my view, well my view is o.k. let me tell you my view of this  Frank buddy I’ll tell you my view of this. We crossed that line in that West Point speech by President Bush George W. Bush  up there in 2002 when he said we are going to go into other countries  and  kick ass  because they do not have democracies  in those countries  that’s when he said we’re going to go kill&lt;br /&gt;
people internationally because we do not like their form of government that’s when we crossed the line Frank”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Corn to Gaffney “Frank we’re you against the Nuremberg Trials”</p>
<p>You go David</p>
<p> Matthews blew a fuse ya hoo</p>
<p>Chris Matthews ” my view, well my view is o.k. let me tell you my view of this  Frank buddy I’ll tell you my view of this. We crossed that line in that West Point speech by President Bush George W. Bush  up there in 2002 when he said we are going to go into other countries  and  kick ass  because they do not have democracies  in those countries  that’s when he said we’re going to go kill<br />
people internationally because we do not like their form of government that’s when we crossed the line Frank”</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/obamas-tortured-logic-on-bagram/#comment-9106</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy here it is&lt;br /&gt;
go to the spain clip&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#30215925&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#30215925&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They really went at it&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy here it is<br />
go to the spain clip<br /><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#30215925" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#30215925</a></p>
<p>They really went at it</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/obamas-tortured-logic-on-bagram/#comment-9105</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On torture on Chris Matthews Hardball tonight (the clip is not up at the site yet)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;when the clip of the Chris Matthews, Frank Gaffney, David Corn wrestling match on Spain’s right to go after the Bush 6 comes up you are going to want to hear this one. This one will be all over the blogs tomorrow&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;rip roaring&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On torture on Chris Matthews Hardball tonight (the clip is not up at the site yet)</p>
<p>when the clip of the Chris Matthews, Frank Gaffney, David Corn wrestling match on Spain’s right to go after the Bush 6 comes up you are going to want to hear this one. This one will be all over the blogs tomorrow</p>
<p>rip roaring</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
		<link>http://christyhardinsmith.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/obamas-tortured-logic-on-bagram/#comment-9104</link>
		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Totally OT, and because Christy &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; brings a ray of sunshine into our lives, here’s a favor returned, and that, merely a downpayment:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By way of &lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/cheer-yourself-up.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew Sullivan&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cheer Yourself Up&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A 47 year old homely matron shows up on &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Britain’s Got Talent&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; … Seriously, I’m still choked up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And as one of &lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/susan-at-easter.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew’s readers writes&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I watched &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Susan Boyle&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; over and over today. I’m so moved by it… her voice is simply beautiful, of course, but she owned that stage. She knew she belonged there - where the hell did that assurance come from? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I looked up her story: she was bullied terribly as a child, had or has a disability, has never been married, never been kissed, probably never been somebody’s most important person. After all that, and having just come out of serious depression on her mother’s death, what on earth gives her the confidence to get up there on the stage? Where did she find that courage?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Simply marvelous!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally OT, and because Christy <i>always</i> brings a ray of sunshine into our lives, here’s a favor returned, and that, merely a downpayment:</p>
<p>By way of <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/cheer-yourself-up.html" rel="nofollow">Andrew Sullivan</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Cheer Yourself Up</p>
<p>A 47 year old homely matron shows up on <b><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY" rel="nofollow">Britain’s Got Talent</a></b> … Seriously, I’m still choked up.</p>
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<p>And as one of <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/susan-at-easter.html" rel="nofollow">Andrew’s readers writes</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I watched <b><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY" rel="nofollow">Susan Boyle</a></b> over and over today. I’m so moved by it… her voice is simply beautiful, of course, but she owned that stage. She knew she belonged there &#8211; where the hell did that assurance come from? </p>
<p>I looked up her story: she was bullied terribly as a child, had or has a disability, has never been married, never been kissed, probably never been somebody’s most important person. After all that, and having just come out of serious depression on her mother’s death, what on earth gives her the confidence to get up there on the stage? Where did she find that courage?</p>
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<p>Simply marvelous!</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.100dayscampaign.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;today is day 83&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.100dayscampaign.org/" rel="nofollow">today is day 83</a></p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Arrest someone in one country, take them to another country, and never let them challenge being held.&lt;br /&gt;
I know there’s a term for that. *scrathching head*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:1@cbl2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1@cbl2&lt;/a&gt; The turkish speech stuck in my craw as well. Addressing Turks and the  “muslim” world” simultaneously seems a little too . . . je ne sais quoi . . . “you people”.&lt;br /&gt;
And when are they going to release the Uighurs? And other cases like them?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrest someone in one country, take them to another country, and never let them challenge being held.<br />
I know there’s a term for that. *scrathching head*<br /><a href="mailto:1@cbl2" rel="nofollow">1@cbl2</a> The turkish speech stuck in my craw as well. Addressing Turks and the  “muslim” world” simultaneously seems a little too . . . je ne sais quoi . . . “you people”.<br />
And when are they going to release the Uighurs? And other cases like them?</p>
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		<title>By: mstar57</title>
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		<dc:creator>mstar57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;THANK YOU SPAIN!!! Obama and the rest of his criminal cartel, including Summers, Geittner, Holder, Panetta, Pelosi (impeachment is off the table) are absolutely PATHETIC, SCUMBAGS of the highest order!! Constitutional lawyer my ass!! - He doesn’t even know what the Constitution is !!! No way in the world will I ever support that mother****er unless he does the right thing - you know - uphold the rule of law and defend the Constitution!! Didn’t he take an oath to that effect??&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU SPAIN!!! Obama and the rest of his criminal cartel, including Summers, Geittner, Holder, Panetta, Pelosi (impeachment is off the table) are absolutely PATHETIC, SCUMBAGS of the highest order!! Constitutional lawyer my ass!! &#8211; He doesn’t even know what the Constitution is !!! No way in the world will I ever support that mother****er unless he does the right thing &#8211; you know &#8211; uphold the rule of law and defend the Constitution!! Didn’t he take an oath to that effect??</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks christy. i don’t think this is tortured logic though - i think it the deception of campaign rhetoric vs actions. ie lies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the obama campaign was &lt;a href=&quot;http://adage.com/moy2008/article?article_id=131810&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chosen&lt;/a&gt; as the best marketing campaign of the year and i think it may very well have been. we were sold a product. for all we know, the real thing has as little to do with the marketing hype as any other advertising campaign.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so sad. i didn’t support obama after his actions re fisa, but this worse, much worse than i expected. so &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; sad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks christy. i don’t think this is tortured logic though &#8211; i think it the deception of campaign rhetoric vs actions. ie lies.</p>
<p>the obama campaign was <a href="http://adage.com/moy2008/article?article_id=131810" rel="nofollow">chosen</a> as the best marketing campaign of the year and i think it may very well have been. we were sold a product. for all we know, the real thing has as little to do with the marketing hype as any other advertising campaign.</p>
<p>so sad. i didn’t support obama after his actions re fisa, but this worse, much worse than i expected. so <em>very</em> sad.</p>
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