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Justice Watch: Attacks On Harold Koh Need To Stop

UPDATE: Scott Horton reports that Koh’s nomination and that of Dawn Johnsen are being "held hostage" through GOP blackmail on torture documents from the Bush/Cheney OLC.

A reliable Justice Department source advises me that Senate Republicans are planning to “go nuclear” over the nominations of Dawn Johnsen as chief of the Office of Legal Counsel in the Department of Justice and Yale Law School Dean Harold Koh as State Department legal counsel if the torture documents are made public. The source says these threats are the principal reason for the Obama administration’s abrupt pullback last week from a commitment to release some of the documents. A Republican Senate source confirms the strategy. It now appears that Republicans are seeking an Obama commitment to safeguard the Bush administration’s darkest secrets in exchange for letting these nominations go forward."

How many times does the GOP have to learn the "it’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up" lesson?

Because that sure as hell sets up a "what are you trying to hide" series of Pandora’s box questions for John Cornyn and Jon Kyl, who have been the point men on the discredit Koh and Johnsen tour, doesn’t it? Seems to me that the "Arlen’s making us do it" story was a so much bullshit cover for CYA — question is, whose asses are being covered and why? Would that some enterprising Beltway journalist would ask them…today.

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Dahlia Lithwick had a Slate piece this week on Harold Koh that deserves a careful read.  In it, she brings up an issue that has been troubling me for some time: having philosophical differences with someone with whom you can disagree, but not feel the need to destroy.

It’s an issue that comes up frequently in highly charged political arenas where appointments — especially the last few years in legal circles — have been so highly charged.

The hubbub about Harold Koh has, thus far, been a lot of hot air bound up with a crock o’ shite and a dose of indignation peppered with ill intent.

In other words, the usual wurlitzer frenzy.

As Dahlia says:

Harold Koh is not a radical legal figure. He has served with distinction in both Democratic and Republican administrations (under Presidents Clinton and Reagan), and in that capacity he sued both Democratic and Republican administrations. He was confirmed unanimously 11 years ago, and yet this time around, he is a threat to American sovereignty.

Clyne’s gross distortions of Koh’s views have gone completely unanswered in the mainstream press. You can certainly argue that ignoring the whole story signals that it’s beneath notice. But it also means that, once again, the only players on the field work for Fox News. So last night, while you were reheating Monday’s lasagna, Glenn Beck was jubilantly warning his viewers that Koh went to Europe and "protested against Mother’s Day." And thus one of the country’s leading academics—a man who has authored 175 law review articles and/or legal editorials and eight books—has been reduced to an ad hoc answer to a gotcha question that nobody but the questioner himself seems to understand.

Why am I bothered by this? This kind of vicious slash-and-burn character attack, the kind in which the nominee is attacked as a vicious hater of America, is hardly new. The little trick of upending Dean Koh’s legal arguments and recharacterizing them as the nefarious plotting of Dr. Evil is a surprise to nobody at this point. But we can be bothered even if we’re not surprised. When moderate Americans and the mainstream media allow a handful of right-wing zealots to occupy the field in the public discussions of an Obama nominee, they become complicit in a character assassination. Dawn Johnsen, a law professor at Indiana University and one of the most qualified candidates ever tapped to head the Office of Legal Counsel in the Justice Department, now faces the prospect of a Senate filibuster because it took weeks for the mainstream media to evince outrage at how she was being treated.

Amen. Good for Dahlia for calling bullshit.

I’m working to bring a guest or two in to talk about this issue. More on that as I firm things up.

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65 Responses to "Justice Watch: Attacks On Harold Koh Need To Stop"
tejanarusa | Sunday April 5, 2009 09:54 am 1

Oh, good grief. I hadn’t been following this so hadn’t noticed the wingnuts doing what they do best in this case, too.

I couldn’t figure out why until I read your link to Dahlia and hers to Goldstein at HuffPost:

The mere acknowledgment that a body of law exists outside the United States is tantamount to claiming that America is enslaved to that law. The recognition that international law even exists somehow transforms the U.S. Supreme Court into a sort of intermediate court of appeals that must answer to the Dreaded Court of Elitist European Preferences.

from Dahlia’s piece

Oh, lordy, it just never ends, does it? I used to wail, pre-November, that keeping up with all the outrages was just impossible – why did I think it would end with Obama’s election?
Even if I were happy with everything he’s doing (which I’m not, so that requires work to “make him” do right), the wingnuts only talent is spinning hysteria out of falsehoods, twisting facts into panic-inducing fairy tales.

Well, at least there is now one more blog post defending Harold Koh. : )


Loo Hoo. | Sunday April 5, 2009 10:41 pm 2

I’m looking forward to hearing from your guests, Christy.


RevBev | Monday April 6, 2009 06:27 am 3

Good on you…no telling what Cornyn is hiding for his Bush buddy. These crimes and coverups need to be broadcast in huge letters and loud voices. Thank you, Christy, as always. What ever happened to the Rove deposition? Surely more lies there, one would think.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 06:31 am 4
In response to RevBev @ 3

I would LOVE to see questions asked of Cornyn, Kyl and Specter on this. Because if that smarmy little triumverate is holding up two decent and highly qualified nominees for cover-up blackmail? Then that needs some wide-ranging exposure to sunlight.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 06:34 am 5

Wow — and thanks for all the diggs on this already, gang!


Adie | Monday April 6, 2009 06:38 am 6

Good Morning Christy and Pups.

Thank you for keeping the heat on these people. We are so sick and tired of their CYA and endless gaming of the system. Feels as if our country, our way of life, simple respect for life and justice of others, are only so much chaff for the bush/cheneys, the cornyns & kyles, rovers & limbaws to toss around and dump at will.

It’s time for the grownups to take over.

Enough!

Go get ‘em, Redd.


Adie | Monday April 6, 2009 06:40 am 7

“for” others. Sorry. Edit and brain both not working up to specs this a.m.


eCAHNomics | Monday April 6, 2009 06:40 am 8

The wingnuts figured out a long time ago how important it was to salt away their kind in the third branch. There was a book salon here on the subject a week ago. They also are active in making sure that the lefties don’t get top level lawyer jobs. So no surprise they’ve been so active in fighting against these appointments, while our side has been caught flat footed.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 06:40 am 9
In response to Adie @ 6

If folks think this is a one-off, they should think again, too. If I had to guess, I’d say this is a test run for how judicial nominees will be treated by the GOP as they come through the nominations pipeline. If they get away with pulling this crap now — they’ll be worse as we go forward.

Which is why I felt the need to condemn this now. And will keep doing so.


ralphbon | Monday April 6, 2009 06:41 am 10

Christy, I swear I made reference to the “wingnut Wurlitzer” in my parallel post at Oxdown before reading your post, referencing the same pipe organ brand. :-)


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 06:41 am 11
In response to eCAHNomics @ 8

Pretty much — this has been an overall strategery for them for a while now. It’s just getting more virulent of late. I don’t know whether that means there is more desperation to keep things hidden or whether it’s a tactical choice, though…still working that out.


lilysmom | Monday April 6, 2009 06:42 am 12

They are also holding up Tammy Duckworth’s appointment (Sen. Richard Burr R.-NC, jerk.)


eCAHNomics | Monday April 6, 2009 06:43 am 13

Oh, and where have top members of the Obama administration been in defending these nominees, and actively countering the wingnuts? The MSM is often willing to print both sides.


RevBev | Monday April 6, 2009 06:45 am 14
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 4

Are there any impeachment grounds here? Wouldn’t that be interesting?


eCAHNomics | Monday April 6, 2009 06:47 am 15

Here’s the link to the book salon: The Rise of the Conservative Legal Movement


eCAHNomics | Monday April 6, 2009 06:51 am 16
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 9

I agree that this is just the first part of a virulent strategy against any Obama judicial appointment, no matter how moderate and qualified. The party of NO.

I have to say, from casual observation, that the wingnut strategy has had some notable failures, like gay marriage in Iowa and the SCOTUS case affirming the award to that woman in VT, against big pharma (I’ve forgotten the names).


Adie | Monday April 6, 2009 06:51 am 17
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 9

I caught a whiff of that. Good on ya. I know it’s wearing and aggravating, but there’s no thought stopping as long as they’re out there %#&*ing up lives and livelihoods.


selise | Monday April 6, 2009 06:54 am 18

so why didn’t the dems in the senate change the filibuster rule when they could (ie at the beginning of the 111th congress)?

stupid. or worse.


selise | Monday April 6, 2009 06:58 am 19
In response to eCAHNomics @ 13

i don’t watch much M$M. is that so – that obamaco isn’t pushing back?


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 06:58 am 20
In response to selise @ 18

Because someday the Dems will be in the minority again and they wanted to preserve their options? That’s my theory on it anyway…


selise | Monday April 6, 2009 06:59 am 21

i don’t understand. what options?


Adie | Monday April 6, 2009 06:59 am 22

I’m having a hard time getting my mind around teh blame plagued STOOPID of the repug strategerie. It’s mind-boggling that they show no hint of scruples or pride even in their own accomplishments. They come across as complete mental midgets, as well as very very dangerous. And, YES, anti-American. Are their constituents deaf, dumb and blind? Oh. That’s right, they’re bought and paid for with play money. Got it.

*irresistable urge to crawl under the couch and cower with the kitties*


eCAHNomics | Monday April 6, 2009 07:00 am 23
In response to selise @ 19

I’m going only on the basis of the Lithwick article.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 07:00 am 24
In response to selise @ 19

There actually ahsn’t been much reporting on any of this until the last week or so when pushback started among a few folks who were miffed. There was a fairly snotty smack at Cornyn last week from Leahy — which is linked above, I think. But there hasn’t been a lot of mainstream media reportage on any of this.

It’s mainly been Dahlia, Scott Horton, me, Nan Aron from AFJ and several others pushing a few tiny pieces forward because this treatment of both of them sucks.


TarheelDem | Monday April 6, 2009 07:00 am 25

Isn’t the Senate in Easter recess? Hint. Hint. Mr. President.


Adie | Monday April 6, 2009 07:03 am 26
In response to selise @ 21

Precisely! That’s what gets me. They appear not to “get” just how sick the patient is. They seem willing to drive the whole country into the dumpster, simply to get their way on this little thing and that little thing. forest forgotten, one tree at a time mentality…


selise | Monday April 6, 2009 07:03 am 27

thanks ecahn @23 and christy @24. i guess that does means obamaco probably hasn’t started pushing back. hope they will.


eCAHNomics | Monday April 6, 2009 07:04 am 28
In response to selise @ 27

I’m also thinking about the Chas Freeman nomination which, instead of pushing back, Obama caved.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 07:05 am 29

Ooops — nope, I forgot to link up the Cornyn smack piece. Here it is for folks who are interested…


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 07:07 am 30

And reading back through it again, the Leahy quote was in the Specter piece linked above, not in the Cornyn one. I’m clearly juggling too many post-it notes on this and need to do another timeline memo for myself…


selise | Monday April 6, 2009 07:08 am 31
In response to Adie @ 26

my cynical self thinks it might be planning ahead to 2010 when the dscc tells us we must help them try to elect 60 D senators to overcome a threatened filibuster. it’s great way to distract us from the bs the Ds are doing to us if we are focused on the Rs.

i so hope that’s not true, but watching the Ds in congress the last two years has taught me to hate them more than i thought possible. i really do despise most of them now. even ones i used to like.


Adie | Monday April 6, 2009 07:08 am 32

Thanks. It’s going to take more than just a quick smack. I hope Leahy’s loaded and primed.

Thanks again, Redd. I’m gonna hush and just read. Wayyy above my pay grade, but I can and do appreciate what your doing.

Regards to the peanut and Mr. Redd.


selise | Monday April 6, 2009 07:09 am 33
In response to eCAHNomics @ 28

but that wasn’t caving to the Rs, it was caving to a member of their coalition. sorta like caving to the banksters. don’t like it, but if one only cares about power it makes a kind of sense. caving to the Rs? don’t get it.

but there are so very many things i don’t get.


selise | Monday April 6, 2009 07:11 am 34
In response to Adie @ 32

Regards to the peanut and Mr. Redd.

yes, from me too. hope the peanut is well and the rest of the home is not any more crazy than usual. best to all.


twolf1 | Monday April 6, 2009 07:12 am 35

new Jane post up back over at FDL…


RevBev | Monday April 6, 2009 07:13 am 36

Can the Texans here do some local pushback against Cornyn? Get the TX Dems engaged? Why do we want the King of Kover-up Dude as our Senator? Or, maybe we don’t. The State Dem. headquarters is in Austin. There are local offices all over the state, please.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 07:13 am 37
In response to selise @ 34

The Peanut and I got a number of our spring veggies into the raise bed garden on Saturday, in between school play performances on Friday and Sunday. So it’s been a little crazy, but in a good way here. *g*

Now to make certain my row covers are in good shape because we have frost warnings the next coupla days and I don’t want my broccoli getting nailed…


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 07:16 am 38
In response to RevBev @ 36

It’s a good idea to phone Kyl, Cornyn and Specter and voice disgust at this tactic, I think. I’ve got calls in to several offices this morning and no responses as yet for comment. But if folks want to push as well, that would be fantastic.

Let me know if you get a comment out of them, please — thanks!


Waccamaw | Monday April 6, 2009 07:17 am 39
In response to eCAHNomics @ 13

Oh, you mean the main stream media that devotes an entire article to the repuke viewpoint and the last one/two sentences to a response from a dem? *That* main stream media?


Adie | Monday April 6, 2009 07:17 am 40

Methinks you’re wise to be vigilent. Weather shows every indication of continuing on a wild junket of its own this year.

I’m enjoying mental pic of you and peanut setting out her little broccoli plants. Sweet doesn’t cover it. She’ll never forget. ;->


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 07:19 am 41
In response to Adie @ 40

I should snap a coupla pix of our little garden box for you all. Before it gets frost-bitten, anyway. *G*

Actually, the row covers should work fine. They generally do for a cold snap and we planted only the early cold-hardy stuff anyway: broccoli, cabbage, onions, chard, lettuce and such.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 07:21 am 42
In response to Waccamaw @ 39

See next post for my opinion of the media and their critical thinking skillz. *G*


Helen | Monday April 6, 2009 07:28 am 43

This seems like a circular argument to me. The GOP is withholding the noms so that Obama does not release the memos. Obama should release the memos TODAY. Then the GOP would have no reason to withhold the noms. The cat will be out of the bag. The GOP would have nothing to “negotiate” with/for.

I don’t get why Obama feels he is being held hosatge.

Perhaps the GOP would withhold the noms for spite? Yeah, that’ll look good.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 07:31 am 44
In response to Helen @ 43

Agree with you on the strategy — but the deeper questions to me are what the GOP is really trying to hide? And why the Dems aren’t immediately calling their bluff?


Waccamaw | Monday April 6, 2009 07:37 am 45

And why the Dems aren’t immediately calling their bluff?

Because that’s what gutless, spineless wimps do in such cases? Good an explanation as any. ;-(


Phoenix Woman | Monday April 6, 2009 07:45 am 46

Folks, spotlight the bejeezus out of this. Send it to every media outlet you can think of. Post it in the letters threads of local newspaper and radio and TV news sites. Mention it on radio call-in shows. And send it to Rachel and KO, obviously.

The Senate Republicans may be able to blow off our phone calls to their office, but they can’t blow off something that’s all over the airwaves.

Why does it have to be us, you ask? Why can’t it be Obama doing this? Because if it’s him doing the full-court press on the press, then they can blow it off as a mere political tiff, as opposed to the GOP seeking to save Bush and Cheney from their just deserts. But if it’s us doing it, then it’s righteous public outrage.


cbl2 | Monday April 6, 2009 07:48 am 47

Mornin’ Christy and Firedogs,

And why the Dems aren’t immediately calling their bluff?

‘zactly where I keep winding up

at worst, it would be only a small expenditure of his current political capital to call them out on this , so why the hell not ?


Phoenix Woman | Monday April 6, 2009 07:48 am 48

Agree with you on the strategy — but the deeper questions to me are what the GOP is really trying to hide? And why the Dems aren’t immediately calling their bluff?

My guess is that the Dems want to avoid being accused of “playing politics”. If they respond in kind, then it’s framed by the press as he-said-she-said tit-for-tat-ism. But if We The People express public outrage — both to the GOP as well as via the media — then suddenly it’s a lot harder to frame as “just politics” and a lot harder for the press to ignore.

There’s a reason why this was leaked the way it was.


Phoenix Woman | Monday April 6, 2009 07:52 am 49

Cbl@47: See me @48. Scott Horton wouldn’t have known about this in the first place if the Dems — or somebody else who wants the noms to go forward — didn’t want him to know. But they want there to be a public groundswell of outrage against the GOP’s tactics before they publicly respond, or else the press will blow this all off as “just politics”.


cbl2 | Monday April 6, 2009 07:57 am 50
In response to Phoenix Woman @ 49

ah ha P-dub !

just got it upon reading your comment – actually went back to read as to just how it was leaked.


Mary | Monday April 6, 2009 08:04 am 51

Kind of related – here’s Jane Mayer’s recent piece on the impact of Phillipe Sands’ book on the Spanish court’s Bush torturers case

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/…..er?ref=fp5

Like Sands, I have the same “bugbear” about the lawyers’ involvement. Not everything might have depended on their ok, but most things did.

On the Johnsen/Koh front, I’m wondering why Obama doesn’t take a page from Bush’s book and appoint Johnsen as acting, the way Bradbury was, and leave her in way past the statutory period, the way Bradbury was – get the ball rolling.

Obama has never had a real strategy on torture other than to try to placate all fronts while doing the least possible. He’s going to have to fish or cut bait on this issue, though. The only way to handle the Republicans is to up the ante. If they won’t play ball on Johnsen, fine. Couple her with someone with a hardball prosecutorial reputation and tell the Republicans – “she gets confirmed this week or I withdraw her bc Holder is going to name this team as special prosecutors to investigate all aspects and avenues of Executive branch torture and torture programs. ” While he’s at it – he could dangle a withdrawal of the el-Masri affidavits and agree to provide info to him for him to reinstitute his case – - complete with pulling in the “pristine” like Rice, who reportedly signed off on the decision to take el-Masri and dump him off in a foreign country with no identification papers, no money, etc – pretty much hoping for him not to make it – and only an *improbable* story of being disappeared into an American torture program for having the wrong name.

But he won’t – bc he is flummoxed on what to do about the intelligence community. He’s equally or more so out of his depth on what to do about things like investigating Syrian torture assistance while trying to ease the realtionship with Syria and what to do about Pakistani torture assistance while keeping Pakistan from melting down but at the same time having Chaudhry in the wings as a spoiler who might cause those same problems anyway the problems of more UK revelations coming out (or not coming out here but with the issue of them coming out there) and more Spanish issues (remember how, after we had diplomatically assured Spain that no torture flights landed there it became clear that torture flights DID land there so we gave them further assurances that those were “post-delivery” legs of the flights with the torturees already dropped off and not actually on the planes, etc.) and then there’s the Moroccan involvement and Egypt and … Include the “missing” like Noor al-Deen, al-Libi, etc. – - if the truth comes out, a lot of very volatile countries have issues to deal with as well.

So Obama spins his wheels. We’ve had numerous court cases and major foreign investigations like in Arar’s case and you know one thing I’ve never heard from Obama, even in the face of all that? I’ve never heard him even reference the fact that our torture programs included innocent people. He never mentions that. Never did – always talks about not giving terrorists constitutional rights; never talks about KSM’s disappeared children.

Right now, burying Johnsen in OLC where all she can do is respond to requests (and withdraw any old opinions) but can’t actually institute actions against anyone or institute policy decisions to go after anyone and can’t continue as a public voice to add to the calls for actions against the torturers – that’s the best thing for Republicans and a torture-evading Obama. Obama could make it all go away pretty quickly by upping the ante , but that won’t happen bc he is only a fnger-steepling posturer on torture. He’s never really had a principaled stand on it and he has affirmatively argued that this is all just so much turmoil over “policy” decisions, which should not be criminalized. He’s not stupid and he knows damn well that what you have are crimes that he is trying to cover up by calling them policy.

Republicans are going to push the issue bc he is weak on on it and his weakness leaves them with no real downside. Push and push and he’ll keep backing down and then they can also keep pushing him as foreign countries proceed etc. etc. They don’t really care in the end if Fredo and George and Dick and Haynes etc. actually end up with charges against them – right now, this is all a matter of zeroing in on the soft spot on the underbelly and Obama has shown torture is one of his very very very soft spots.


cbl2 | Monday April 6, 2009 08:06 am 52
In response to Phoenix Woman @ 49

in terms of optics – what is it they want to see ? what will constitute “public groundswell” ?

we’re all calling, lte-ing, and faxing but I’ve never known the Dem power base to use that in the past – what is it they are looking for ?


Mary | Monday April 6, 2009 08:14 am 53

43 – in part bc the memo’s issue didn’t originate with the Republicans – it orginated interally with Obama’s advisors (like Brennan) and the existing presidential torturers and their supporters and co-conspirators. What the Republicans are doing is taking an issue that is already an internal maelstrom with the Obama crew and pushing on the sore spot – gaining approval from the intel crew (that Obama needs to rely upon what with N Kor, Pak, Iran, Israel etc. right now) and adding to the Brennan pressure. They are the ones calling the bluff – they’ll probably be tickled privately either way. Obama kicks out Koh (who is also buried in a spot at State where he will no longer be able to be a voice on domestic torture issues) and Johnsen and the Republicans “win” bc Obama backed down, they get appointments they want, yada yada. Obama releases the memos and a chunk of his intel crew – Presidential Torture team and their supporters (including companies like Boeing through their subsidiary) turn against Obama and set up their own retaliations and the Republicans “win” a talking point and more importantly they win continued, major turmoil in the Obama camp and a group of allies that, with their positions, can make or break Obama. And that intel crew has already shown that their personal skins are much more important to them then this country – so Obama has something to worry about there. I guess we all do – people who are willing toturers, not just of KSMs but of el-Masris and Arar’s and 80 yo men on walkers and of children (disappeared children) – and who then are willing to watch the country crash and burn around that issue with no remorse; those guys are not above letting some of the worst happen to distract from their situation and “make’ them “right.”


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 08:16 am 54
In response to Mary @ 53

dday has a great piece up at digby’s on the Brennan string-pulling, btw…


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 08:23 am 55

Ooops — meant to include the link to dday. D’oh!

Anyone have a spare nap to lend…


Mary | Monday April 6, 2009 08:24 am 56

54 – I’ll check that out. thnx

Unless and until Obama stands up and says we tortured innocent people and a lot of people shipped through GITMO, Abu Ghraib, Cropper, Bagram etc. and subjected to our “techniques” and “policies” were innocent – until he makes that crystal clear and solid center, he won’t be able to claim any part of the field. But once he does make that stand, then there’s no way to back away from prosecutions and “for real” investigations and the revelations that we KNEW so many were innocent (and where children, crazy, etc.) but went on anyway. And then people are more than “embarassed” and the people who are central to the torture are, for Republican stategies – “throwaway” Republicans for political purposes (Cheney, Bush etc.) but very dangerous and powerful enemies for Obama from a real standpoint (not just Cheney and Bush etc. but all the members of the limited Intel pool who now have a vendetta and who have been nursing a mindset of aggrievedness for along time now – sharing that with the “terrorists” they are supposedly going after).

all fwiw


Phoenix Woman | Monday April 6, 2009 08:25 am 57

The Republican pushback against Holder’s desire to release the torture memos is intense. Check out this WaPo editorial by Edward Whelan, a former Bush OLC lackey (h/t DougJ). This is what’s happening here.

And it’s why we need to push back ourselves.


Mary | Monday April 6, 2009 08:34 am 58

I looked at the dday piece and it is good, but I don’t agree with dday and Hilzoy that the issue of foreign govs is paper tiger. I think there are some real concerns on that front – it’s hard to secure Syrian cooperation on the one front while outing their torture roles and specific people that have now disappeared or who continue to be held etc. – we aren’t just in a situation where “we” commited crimes, they did too. Redacting names is not going to help (for example, redacting “Morocco” from a description of flying Mohamed somewhere to have his genitals razored doesn’t cover up anything). It is very clear who many of the countries are and we have the same responsiblities under the Torture Conventions to release names for prosecution on foreign countries that we do domestically.

OTOH, it’s not as though the foreign gov issue is “new” Obama should have had that factored in starting the two years before the election that he began campaigning – not just now. And for that matter, putting Clinton in at State, as good a job as she can do on so many fronts, pretty much ignores the issues of the renditions to Egypt for torture and execution that took place during the Clinton years and that would have to be a part of any thorough approach – after all, whether it was propaganda or reality, the Egyptian renditions were used by al-Qaeda as the supposed trigger for the African embassy bombings.


earlofhuntingdon | Monday April 6, 2009 09:22 am 59

As Scott Horton says, the stakes couldn’t be higher. Senate Republicans are trying to geld the legitimate discretionary powers of the office of the president, as opposed to the illegitimate ones that expanded like a mushroom cloud under Shrub. This is not just John Brennan maneuvering behind the scenes, but a GOP Senate filibuster threat. We all know how forcefully Harry Reidless responds to those.

The opinions the GOP are trying to force Obama not to release authorized specific acts of torture (by defining them as “not” torture). Those acts included waterboarding, “head smacking” (by 200 lb martial arts master special forces operatives), and holding prisoners in boxes the size of coffins (with all the obvious fear that would generate).

Those opinions damn not only Jay Bybee, John Yoo and Stephen Bradbury, they damn the senior political figures who asked for their “legal” opinions and acted on them. Senate Republicans cannot have missed the news that both Spain and the UK have launched criminal probes into American torturing of persons protected by them. Their investigators might be interested in those opinions, too, as might a general public considering how long to keep the Republicans in the political wilderness.

This is a battle for the rule of law, nothing less. Think of Mel Gibson’s speech to his troops in Braveheart. We may have just “one chance” to get this right.


oregondave | Monday April 6, 2009 10:17 am 60

I just e-mailed Sen. Wyden on this. Watch to see if we hear anything from him.


ralphbon | Monday April 6, 2009 01:18 pm 61

Glenzilla makes a good case for skepticism regarding the filibuster link to the memo delay.

In fact, it’s possible that Horton’s DOJ source was spinning him in an attempt to break the Johnsen/Koh logjam, by linking Republicans who were merely engaging in a standard wingnut smear campaign to far more nefarious and obstructive motives.

Or not.

IMHO (despite my limited qualifications to have an O, albeit H), the memos are coming out — they can’t not come out — and the only debate in Obama land is over the degree of redaction. Expect enough black rectangles to keep prosecutorial hands off intelligence operatives, but not enough to spare the lawyers disbarment and worse.


Christy Hardin Smith | Monday April 6, 2009 01:42 pm 62
In response to ralphbon @ 61

If you look at Scott’s piece, he specifically says that one of his sources was a Republican with Senate ties who confirmed this as a strategy. That’s a far cry from inferring but is, rather, confirmation that the GOP is saying this is a strategy.

Whether or not that was an honest statement is another question because the source is anonymous and it’s tough to infer one way or the other without knowing who it is and what their motive for talking with Scott might be.

I’m highly skeptical that this is a sole strategy, but given how far Cornyn in particular has stuck his neck out on torture strategies by writing in National Review as well as talking about it on various shows the last few years, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest that he’d be motivated as much by saving his own face as much as protecting the flanks of some of his patrons. Do recall that Cornyn’s pal is Rove in terms of TX electoral politics.

All of which to say — the rationale keeps shifting as to what the excuse is, but the end result seems to always been the same: discredit Dawn Johnsen before she gets into OLC and has access to all of the memoranda therein and, in the alternative, try to prevent those memoranda from ever seeing the light of day by any means possible.

And, if in the meantime, a strategy set is tested on how to deal with upcoming judicial nominees wherein lies can be floated out and quickly disseminated along the wurlitzer and no one bothers to refute them such that the liars gain credibility to be the sources of the next round of rumors? Well then, so be it. And the fact that these are lies being told about decent human beings be damned.

Can you tell this whole mess pisses me off?


earlofhuntingdon | Monday April 6, 2009 03:33 pm 63

Discrediting Johnsen and, therefore, what she does after she takes office is nearly as good.

I think you’re spot on regarding trial balloons for how to derail Obama’s judicial nominees. He could have two or three Supreme Court picks his first four years, not to mention dozens of top appellate court and other appointments.

One hopes the Dems are working on their own trial balloons to derail the Republicans. The effect was astounding a couple of decades ago when a then still strong Kodak finally did that. It constructed and flew its own blimp over Tokyo’s skies and the Fuji film building, causing Fuji to bring back its famous blimp, derailing a US ad campaign, in order to defend its home turf.


ralphbon | Monday April 6, 2009 03:54 pm 64

Can you tell this whole mess pisses me off?

Really? Missed that.

I also missed the one line about the Republican Senate source confirming the strategy.

Still, I see no way Obama can withhold the memos any longer; the only question is how heavily redacted they’ll be. And regardless, Rethugs will call it treason for revealing intelligence methods.

As for Johnsen and Koh, the smears are so over the top as to invite satire. And if John Stewart gets on the case, we win. I’m not sure if I should be reassured or horrified by that.


MrWhy | Monday April 6, 2009 07:25 pm 65
In response to Mary @ 53

- people who are willing torturers, not just of KSMs but of el-Masris and Arar’s and 80 yo men on walkers and of children (disappeared children) -

Are you saying that Americans were directly involved in the torture of El-Masri and Arar, or “merely” complicit?


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