Trouble At The Dick And George Corral?

So much for that message discipline and failure to leak tour, Karl. Dickie Boy is peeved

In the waning days of the Bush administration, Vice President Dick Cheney launched a last-ditch campaign to persuade his boss to pardon Lewis (Scooter) Libby – and was furious when President George W. Bush wouldn’t budge.

It is ON, beyotches.

Since this is Tom DeFrank, who is one of the most carefully sourced journalists working the Beltway, I find this wholly amusing:

After repeatedly telling Cheney his mind was made up, Bush became so exasperated with Cheney’s persistence he told aides he didn’t want to discuss the matter any further.

The unsuccessful full-court press left Cheney bitter. "He’s furious with Bush," a Cheney source told The News. "He’s really angry about it and decided he’s going to say what he believes."

He did just that the day after becoming a private citizen. In an interview with The Weekly Standard, Cheney heaped praise on Libby and denounced his conviction. "He was the victim of a serious miscarriage of justice, and I strongly believe that he deserved a presidential pardon," Cheney said. "Obviously, I disagree with President Bush’s decision."

Doesn’t that little upstart realize he’s messing with Dick F-ing Cheney? Apparently Bush started thinking he WAS the president. The nerve.

The vehemence of Cheney’s last-minute onslaught has struck some Bush loyalists as excessive. "At some point you have to accept the decision of the guy who appointed you," one of them said after learning the details. "I think Cheney was over the top." 

A Cheney ally disagreed. "He had every right to push it as hard as he wanted," he argued. "Cheney places great store in loyalty and thinks Scooter got a raw deal."

And if Scooter begins to think he got a raw deal?

Why do I think this is more about hush money and theatrics? Except DeFrank throws in this last little tidbit about how chilly things were ten days before they left office:

"It’s been a long, long time since I’ve heard the President say, ‘Run that by the vice president’s office.’ You used to hear that all the time."

Well, that petulant little bastard. Who does he think he is?!? Teach him a lesson, Dick.

And Karl? You might want to ready some good mud to fling in retort, because Dick doesn’t like to play softball.  And it sure reads like at least one of DeFrank’s "sources close to Cheney" might be Bill Kristol — ingrate — doesn’t it?

Best possible thing that could happen to this country is for you to air it all out. Think of it as therapy for the masses, but without the privilege protections.

I’ll just get my popcorn…kabuki or no, this is amusing as hell.

(Artwork used with express permission from Justin Bilicki.  For an extra treat, here’s Justin talking about how he draws Dick Cheney.  Priceless.  H/T to reader bill.)

 
134 Responses to "Trouble At The Dick And George Corral?"
Elliott | Tuesday February 17, 2009 05:52 am 1

Good Morning Christy
heeheehee
what a great illustration of our man Cheney.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 05:57 am 2
In response to Elliott @ 1

Really seemed to suit the mood. *g*


CTBob | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:03 am 3

Wow, that illustration looks remarkably like something Ralph Steadman would draw. It captures the pure essence of Cheney.

(”Essence of Cheney” sounds like the worst perfume ever made!)


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:04 am 4
In response to CTBob @ 3

Uh. Mah. Gawd.: “essence of Cheney” would be the worst seller EVAR.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:06 am 5

I love it when then eat their own. The closer to the top the better. This could be the best popcorn event of all.


foothillsmike | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:06 am 6

Bush better not go hunting with Cheney.


JayBur | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:07 am 7

Bush memo to self: No quail shooting with Uncle “Dick”


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:10 am 8
In response to eCAHNomics @ 5

If it gets to be a full-blown “you poke me, I’ll poke you back” fest? It could get quite entertaining.

Here’s hoping, eh?


Elliott | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:10 am 9
In response to eCAHNomics @ 5

it is delicious *g*


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:11 am 10

btw, for folks who don’t follow DeFrank’s reporting closely, he’s been especially well-sourced in the Cheney/Rummy arena and with a number of folks who were tight with Poppy Bush as well. Which makes all of this so much more amusing in the reading, doesn’t it?

hehehehehehe

“Schadenfreude hotline? I’ll need a refill…”


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:11 am 11
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 4

call it “Phooey Yuhsef”

Wow! and Good Morning Christy!

Agreed, the pic is a keeper. Should bring nightmares, but all I can do is laugh.
It’s your fault.


diablesseblu | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:12 am 12

Dick should have known better. This is one shining example of how the Bushies view loyalty. It is always a one way street.

Anyone who deals with them should know that from the git-go.

But yes, watching this will be great entertainment. I’ll have some popcorn and Diet Coke during the daylight hours (not a coffee girl).May inbibe an adult beverage or two as the sun sets.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:12 am 13

I read Angler about a month ago, have seen Cheney on Sunday TV, and he is man under complete control it would seem. But I have always been convinced that he is a man who keeps a lid on it, who would be prone to explode. This is the first evidence of that hypothesis.


foothillsmike | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:12 am 14

Bush was a little late in telling Cheney no – about eight years late.


pmorlan | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:15 am 15

MSNBC just went to commercial break but the teaser before they went was – you guessed it…the Cheney is furious story. It should be on in a few minutes.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:17 am 16
In response to foothillsmike @ 14

Yes. Nothing annoys me more than having someone wake up to the obvious when it’s too late.


pmorlan | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:18 am 17

While I’m waiting for MSNBC to come back with the Cheney is furious story I thought I’d pass along a link to this report I found today. It looks like a great reference resource.

Corporate Complicity in International Crimes

The Expert Legal Panel on Corporate Complicity in International Crimes was set up in 2006 to explore when companies and their officials could be held legally responsible under criminal and/or civil law when they are involved with other actors in gross human rights abuses.

The report, comprising three volumes, addresses corporate complicity from the angles of criminal law, the law of civil responsibility and public policy.


conniptionfit | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:18 am 18

Well you do have a twisted sense of humor, don’t you? Thank G*d it’s not just me! grin.


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:20 am 19
In response to eCAHNomics @ 13

Totally agreed, eCAHN.

That poor overworked acepacker must be working its lil’ batteries to a frazzle. Are those things adjustable? I smell somethin’ overheating.

I’m gonna hold off on the popcorn for a bit.

What WUZ Dick thinking?! Why, he had that sniveling little rascal right under his thumb just a few short days ago, or so it would have appeared. heh.

This could be Bar’s doing. Can never trust the great schemes of life when a big mommabear storms into the fray. Gotta protek the fambly name & all that gig. whoot!


hychka | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:20 am 20

I’d be interested in hearing why Cheney feels that “Scoots” was “the victim of a serious miscarriage of justice.”

Did “Scoots” graduate from some “faith based” law school that didn’t teach him not to lie to a grand jury three or four times(depends on who is counting)?

Was”Scoots” just following orders in time of war?

Was it unfair because that rat-shit Rove skated?

Was it because the self-appointed Congressional Commander-in-Chief declassified Valerie’s cover BEFORE “Scoots” told everyone ran into that she was a “spook?”

Someone ought to followup on this while the big Dick is still both angry and alive.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:21 am 21

Did you all see the drunken Japanese finance minister at G7 on Rachel last night? He had to resign today. Imagine, if in addition to not paying his taxes, Geithner appeared drunk at a big meeting and U.S. GDP was plunging at 3X the rate of the last quarter. You see, things can always get worse.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..enness.php


diablesseblu | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:24 am 22

My favorite sentence in Christy’s post:

“And if Scooter begins to think he got a raw deal?”


JayBur | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:25 am 23

I wonder what Poppy really thinks of Cheney? Let’s face it, between Cheney and Rove the Bush Political Brand is DOA


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:25 am 24
In response to hychka @ 20

Yep. We need a provacateur to get Cheney to really say what he means. *g*


foothillsmike | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:26 am 25
In response to eCAHNomics @ 21

That was almost as funny as the woman having the temper tantrum at the airport.


pmorlan | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:26 am 26

I also wanted to pass along this report in case you didn’t see it referenced in the Washington Post today.

Eminent Jurists Panel on Terrorism, Counter-Terrorism and Human Rights

“In one of the most extensive studies of counter-terrorism and human rights yet undertaken, an independent panel of eminent judges and lawyers today presents alarming findings about the impact of counter-terrorism policies worldwide and calls for remedial action. The Eminent Jurists Panel on Terrorism, Counter-Terrorism and Human Rights, established by the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ), has based its report

“Assessing Damage, Urging Action” on sixteen hearings covering more than forty countries in all regions of the world. “In the course of this inquiry, we have been shocked by the extent of the damage done over the past seven years by excessive or abusive counter-terrorism measures in a wide range of countries around the world. Many governments, ignoring the lessons of history, have allowed themselves to be rushed into hasty responses to terrorism that have undermined cherished values and violated human rights. The result is a serious threat to the integrity of the international human rights legal framework,” said Justice Arthur Chaskalson, the Chair of the Panel, former Chief Justice of South Africa and first President of the South African Constitutional Court.”


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:28 am 27
In response to foothillsmike @ 25

I think it was funnier. The woman was just a dizoid at the far-from-normal tail of the distribution. The Japanese minister is a man who’s supposedly at the top of his game at the top of the human heap. Quite amazingly self-destructive behavior.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:28 am 28
In response to diablesseblu @ 22

And, honestly, I’m not certain it’s Scooter they have to worry about as much as it’s his wife — who was not at all looking pleased with things at the trial, let alone the aftermath. If she goes off the reservation? I didn’t exactly see immense love, loyalty and admiration for Dick on her face during certain portions of testimony, I can tell you that.


conniptionfit | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:29 am 29

Dick is angry because Dick is a dick. He is simply out raged that ANYONE would have the temerity to question his motivations, his patriotism, or his right to order any thing at all. And to question the loyalty and competence of any of his minions is to question him.
He’s a dick. We don’t have to worry about making Dick angry any more. Let’s hope the media figures that out real soon.


pmorlan | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:29 am 30

The MSNBC piece on the Cheney was furious story was a bust. There wasn’t any additional detail. Oh well.


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:29 am 31
In response to eCAHNomics @ 21

Add boener & we’d have a pretty decent trio to intersperse with 3-Stooges clips. “Bet the eegle’s sorrrrrrre………”


JayBur | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:31 am 32

Maybe Mrs Scooter will go Martha Mitchell, I mean would you want L’il Scoot under foor all day?


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:31 am 33
In response to pmorlan @ 26

I’m convinced that govts went so far “off the rail” because they saw it as an opportunity to, in a self-perpetuating way, gain more & more control over the populations. In other words, they did it not because they thought it would damp down on terrorism, but the opposite: to provoke terrorism which allows the govts to become more & more draconian.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:32 am 34
In response to JayBur @ 32

Does Mrs. Scooter drink? I think I remember that Martha’s big outbursts were while drunk.


JayBur | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:33 am 35
In response to eCAHNomics @ 33

Bingo


Pat2 | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:33 am 36

Loyalty aside (and maybe there just no IS putting loyalty aside with this crew), Cheney must believe that the threat of Libby having to divulge all if put on trial is negligible compared to the cleansing of pardoning — which would clear Cheney’s what-there-is-of conscience for forcing Libby to do the vp’s dirty work.

Otherwise, wouldn’t Cheney have to fret about the truthiness emerging from a Libby testimony?


klynn | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:34 am 37

Scooter not getting a pardon and the note Bush left Obama in the oval office desk might be linked…

And Cheney is scared just thinking about that possibility…


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:34 am 38
In response to hychka @ 20

Cheney certainly sounded off about Scooter taking the fall, and Rove skating. Remember the angry missive he penned to Bush about it — about the “meat grinder”?


Kinmo | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:34 am 39
In response to eCAHNomics @ 34

It seems, lately anyway, that women with loose lips tend to suicide themselves.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:35 am 40
In response to JayBur @ 23

My understanding is that Poppy didn’t really like him when Dick was his defense secretary. And worse? He never trusted him.

Which makes Shrub’s selection of him all the more intriguing, doesn’t it?


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:36 am 41
In response to Kinmo @ 39

One can understand why.


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:36 am 42
In response to eCAHNomics @ 34

She might not need any ‘enhancers’ to tune up. She was really really fighting not to erupt in public during that trial. And she didn’t give appearance that she’d choose any particular target. She might just let it fly.

*note to self. not enuf popcorn”


JayBur | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:36 am 43

If The Dick is so concerned about Scooty why doesn’t he get him a fat job at Halliburton? Big income, corner office, that should shut the little weasel up.


WarOnWarOff | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:37 am 44

If she goes off the reservation?

Martha Mitchell!


WarOnWarOff | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:38 am 45
In response to WarOnWarOff @ 44

Damn…beverages are owed.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:38 am 46

I thought it was Rummy who Poppy didn’t like. Or both? Or am I wrong? In any event, whoever it was, I got the impression that W hired them for that very reason. Sticking hid thumb in his Dad’s eye. But Poppy remains loyal nonetheless. What a weird family.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:38 am 47
In response to JayBur @ 43

Scooter is already on the wingnut welfare dole, as I recall — isn’t he at the Hoover Institute? Or has he moved on? Anyone know for certain?


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:39 am 48

… not to mince words or any such dang thang….


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:39 am 49
In response to eCAHNomics @ 46

Pretty sure it was both but, honestly, they are two peas in a festering pod, aren’t they?


diablesseblu | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:39 am 50

I’d hate to be Shrub at a family reunion. Can you imagine the wrath of Bar?

Am sure many think she was “quieted” after her post Katrina remarks. I think they’re afraid she’ll go “off” about how Jr. was done in by others. Her anger and disappointment would have a target….unlike Poppy’s tears.


tjbs | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:39 am 51

G M Christy,
I got that read too about Bush being the real president and that was the moment Dick realized the Bushes played his sorry ass. Fell into a wheel chair, it hit him so hard.
Guess which lesson Jr learned from his earthly father ” Plausible deniability “so guess which decisions came out written from the VP’s office ie. Cheney on TV boasting about choosing whom to torture.

The buck stops where?


ghostof911 | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:39 am 52
In response to diablesseblu @ 22

Might he perhaps turn on his former boss for failure to deliver with the pardon?


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:40 am 53
In response to WarOnWarOff @ 45

brings to mind a whole new set of rools for spin the bottle.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:40 am 54

Here’s the “meat grinder” note, btw, for folks who don’t recall it from the Libby trial.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:40 am 55

Maybe Obama will pardon Libby in a spirit of bipartisanship.

Oh dear, that was nasty. I don’t really mean it, but couldn’t resist typing it.


foothillsmike | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:41 am 56
In response to JayBur @ 43

Maybe Mrs Scooter doesn’t want to move to Dubai


RickinSF | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:41 am 57

Looks to me like the Scoot is now W’s final “Fuck You” to the Dick.


Cellar47 | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:41 am 58

HIS NAME IS IRVING. WILL EVERYONE PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM “SCOOTER”?

THANKS.


pmorlan | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:41 am 59
In response to eCAHNomics @ 33

I don’t know but I’m anxious to read both of these reports.


Waccamaw | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:41 am 60
In response to CTBob @ 3

I prefer to call it “Eeeeeeeeeuw d’Cheney”.


foothillsmike | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:42 am 61

Maybe he is writing another porn book


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:42 am 62
In response to diablesseblu @ 50

Bar has always made excuses for “her Georgie” from what I understand. Which may be why George Sr. treats him with such disdain? What a mess of a family drama playing out on our national stage…


WarOnWarOff | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:42 am 63
In response to Adie @ 53

Heh!


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:43 am 64
In response to pmorlan @ 59

Yes, the more light on those practices the better. Maybe we can even hope to reverse the stupid policies by exposing them for what they are.


diablesseblu | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:43 am 65

I think he’s at the Hudson Institute…Hoover’s at Stanford. That’s Kindaliezza’s new lair. She can “return” to Stanford without her being actual, regular faculty.


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:45 am 66
In response to eCAHNomics @ 55

didn’t the repubbles already smack that possibility outta the park. now the bat’s in splinters and they can’t find the ball, much less any of the bases.

game over.


JayBur | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:45 am 67
In response to foothillsmike @ 56

Good point, Halliburton moved to Dubai to beat federal taxes and more importantly federal laws, but maybe she wouldn’t mind if Scooter jetted off to Dubai…


NorskeFlamethrower | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:47 am 68

AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Without a push from either criminal investigations er “truth and reconcilliation” efforts, none of the principles are gunna talk ‘cuz they put their own sorry asses on the line and still don’t get a direct shot at CaliguBush. That’s why I think that the”grown ups” behind the Carlyle firewall (read James Baker) forced Junior ta commute instead of pardon and explained, in simple language of course,that as long as they weren’t pardoned they couldn’t be forced ta talk.

The truth won’t see the light of day unless Senator Leahy opens the blinds.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE ARM OF THE LAW DON’T MEAN NUTHIN UNLESS YA GOT A BOOT ON THE FOOT!!


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:48 am 69

oooh oooh, who wants to apply for a housemaid’s job during the next Kennyblerghpourt reooonion?! There’s a book deal in it fer sure.


WarOnWarOff | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:50 am 70
In response to diablesseblu @ 65

According to Wiki:

From January 2006 until March 7, 2007, the day after his conviction in United States v. Libby, when he resigned, Libby served as a “senior advisor” at the Hudson Institute, focusing on “issues relating to the War on Terror and the future of Asia … offer[ing] research guidance and … advis[ing] the institute in strategic planning.”[6][67][7] His resignation was announced by the Hudson Institute in a press release dated March 8, 2007.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Libby


foothillsmike | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:50 am 71
In response to JayBur @ 67

Dubai is in freefall. Overextended with fall in oil prices, manmade islands are sinking people fleeing leaving their SUVs at the airport with keys in the ignition.


selise | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:50 am 72

i had a completely different take on this report – seems to me now that W is out of office, he is no longer of any use to cheney. but libby is because libby could talk and implicate cheney. i see the story as a purposeful cheney leak to send libby a love letter. that is all, W is of no consequence other than the hook to get the message sent.


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:51 am 73

poor Maine. such a beautiful state….


Crosstimbers | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:52 am 74

I’m not a big Oliver Stone fan, but think he got it about right in the movie W. In particular, I always thought Brent Scowcroft’s NYT editorials spoke for the elder Bush. I think even the ending of the movie must be pretty close to correct about the return of the disgraced prodigal son. I’ve often thought the drama between father and spoiled idiot son who fell under the influence of Iago, er Cheney, would have been worthy of Shakespeare.


WarOnWarOff | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:52 am 75
In response to foothillsmike @ 71

My favorite image is cockroaches coming up through the water pipes.


diablesseblu | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:54 am 76
In response to WarOnWarOff @ 70

Wonder how he is supporting the Libby clan (since he can’t practice law)?


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:56 am 77
In response to diablesseblu @ 76

book advance?


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:57 am 78
In response to foothillsmike @ 61

Oh lordy. Let’s all hope not. Ewwwwww. That last one was horrid enough.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:58 am 79
In response to Cellar47 @ 58

For the love of all that is holy, do not shout in the comments. All caps is considered to be incredibly rude.


Waccamaw | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:58 am 80
In response to foothillsmike @ 71

And good forkin’ riddance to them! Makes me wanna hurl thinking of the number of people who could be fed or housed with the money that’s been poured into that miserable piece of real estate. :-(


Peterr | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:58 am 81

No, he’s not at the Hoover Institution (at least not according to their website). Wiki says that he had been been a senior adviser at the Hudson Institute, but resigned from that the day after his conviction.

Perhaps he’s moved into Dick’s old Undisclosed Location.


Elliott | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:59 am 82
In response to foothillsmike @ 71

*sniff*
where’s my hankie?


Adie | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:59 am 83

where’d the big safe go?


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:59 am 84
In response to diablesseblu @ 65

Hudson! That’s it — thanks. Here’s Al Kamen from back in 2006 about the gig…


WarOnWarOff | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:00 am 85
In response to diablesseblu @ 76

Pokin’ bears.


demi | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:02 am 86

I’ve mentioned this article before
http://www.rollingstone.com/po…..ck_cheney/
but, never linked to it until now.
The first sentence of the article is: Should George W. Bush win this election, it will give him the distinction of being the first occupant of the White House to have survived naming Dick Cheney to a post in his administration.
Gives a good background on what Poppy Bush thought of Cheney and Rumsfeld. And, digs into just how much a creep the man is.
It’s a good read and one I recommend.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:03 am 87
In response to selise @ 72

I think that’s a big part of it — thought I made that clear with this:

And if Scooter begins to think he got a raw deal?

Why do I think this is more about hush money and theatrics?

But perhaps that was too subtle.


Millineryman | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:03 am 88

Good morning all.

That drawing of Dick is disturbing funny, and well done.


NorskeFlamethrower | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:03 am 89

“…incredibly rude”? Oh pardon me, I’ll keep my voice down…pass the fuckin Chardonnet please.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:05 am 90

selise
Are you watching the economics hearing on China on cspan?


foothillsmike | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:05 am 91
In response to NorskeFlamethrower @ 89

Only if you promise to keep your pinky raised.


diablesseblu | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:06 am 92
In response to demi @ 86

Thanks so much for the link. Am off to take mother to a checkup at the doctor’s office — will look forward to reading that when I return. I love “RS”.


hychka | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:06 am 93

Whoever employs IRVING doesn’t appear to be very proud of the fact. Google shows nothing after several attempts. If someone can do better, please tell us who has reached out to help this poor abused citizen.


Elliott | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:09 am 94

selise | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:09 am 95

i didn’t miss that (and don’t disagree), it’s just not what i was commenting on – it’s the part about cheney being peeved with W. my impression was just that it’s more likely that that part is the postage to get the letter sent (published), nothing more. just my take though.


Waccamaw | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:10 am 96

It never ceases to amaze and amuse how etiquette has evolved in the blog world; would be a fascinating subject for in-depth study…. probably already been done.

No offense intended to Cellar47 whom I do not know but, in following comment threads elsewhere on the net, it *does* seem those with the greatest propensity to all caps are those of the rightward persuasion.


selise | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:11 am 97
In response to eCAHNomics @ 90

thanks, turning it on now.

i checked last night and didn’t see any congressional hearings scheduled for today.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:12 am 98
In response to Waccamaw @ 96

I think that particular bit of etiquette likely evolved because when you are reading as much online as bloggers tend to do — myself included — to get hit with an all caps screed visually is incredibly jarring.

When you add into the mix that I have trouble with my eyes sometimes due to my lupus, it’s doubly jarring.

Some folks aren’t aware of the convention, however — and some just like to thumb their noses at it. Never sure which is which, but from time to time, I like to ask that people not do it here for my own visual comfort.


selise | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:14 am 99
In response to Waccamaw @ 96

my old VaxNotes manual from DEC (circa mid ’80s) had a whole chapter on the topic including a section discribing the subtle differences between various emoticons


Peterr | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:15 am 100

He’s not at Hudson any more though. Seems to have disappeared from everywhere . . .


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:16 am 101
In response to Peterr @ 100

Yeah — was trying to find where he’d landed now, and I can’t seem to find any reference on him. Odd that, although not shocking, is it?


ghostof911 | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:16 am 102
In response to foothillsmike @ 25

selise | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:17 am 103
In response to selise @ 99

p.s. that’s when i adopted the affectation of not using the capital letters (soft voice) to avoid some flame wars. kept it out of laziness re the shift key


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:23 am 104

Ooops — missed the rest of the Cheney crankiness in the Weekly Standard. Rest of the quote via Al Kamen: Cheney added, “Scooter Libby is one of the most capable and honorable men I’ve ever known. He’s been an outstanding public servant throughout his career. He was the victim of a serious miscarriage of justice, and I strongly believe that he deserved a presidential pardon.”


Peterr | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:24 am 105

It’s almost like everyone who is anyone is afraid to put his name on their masthead.

Everyone but Cheney, that is.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:24 am 106

btw, fresh posty goodness up top if anyone wants some…


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:25 am 107
In response to Peterr @ 105

It’s weird, because there is no press release saying that Libby left the Hudson Institute, either, that I can find. One saying he joined and then…nada. He’s not on their website in any capacity in terms of a staffing listing anywhere at this point.

So, for all I know, he may still be there. Anyone find an exit release anywhere?


perris | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:26 am 108

And Karl? You might want to ready some good mud to fling in retort

I need some stock in the popcorn business


Waccamaw | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:26 am 109

Compounded by “bold” and you’ve got a double whammy. :-(

Selise -

Thanks…..wow! funny to think they’ve been around that long.


cbl2 | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:27 am 110

Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,

been waiting for this – has me thinking of the SNL pretzel incident skit with Cheney in wifebeater, heh

we’ll need Cheney Defense Shields if Senator Leahy ever gets a crack at Addington


Waccamaw | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:31 am 111
In response to selise @ 103

Developed my own shorthand wrt use of capitals. Those for whom I have no respect (like thugs and blue dogs) get lower case………..*major* exception: at the Lake I try to always use the moniker capitalization adopted by individuals in the thread. However they want to spell themselves should be the accepted version.

Could make for a bit of confusion but it’s *my* system….. and I never claimed not to be confused. *G*


Redshift | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:35 am 112
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 4

Worse than this? <g>

http://failblog.files.wordpres…..e-fail.jpg


cbl2 | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:37 am 113

per wiki

His resignation was announced by the Hudson Institute in a press release dated March 8, 2007.[7]

but there’s no external link to the release


demi | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:39 am 114
In response to Waccamaw @ 111

Everything I know about blogging, I learned at FDL.
Never engaged before I got here. At first, like any newbie in a group, I was put off by the initial short hand, but gained confidence as I learned to use my noodle. I’ve also enjoyed watching the evolution of relationships and even styles of this place. For example, comments used to be longer, more thoughtful and more often with links. At some point, it became more accepted to have short, even one-line comments of just an opinion. Not saying good or bad, just noting that change.


selise | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:43 am 115
In response to Waccamaw @ 109

with apologies to christy, since it’s the end of the thread, i’ll indulge myself… also may be of interest as a early chapter in the history of online forums and blogs: The Camelot of collaboration

Imagine. You work in a global high-tech company with more than 100,000 people. Research and product development organisations are distributed around the world, as are the sales, marketing, and technical support groups that interface with customers. There are many complex products at varying stages in their life cycles. You have been in the company for a month, and a customer has just asked you a question about the technical capabilities of a product you haven’t even heard of. You promise the customer an answer by the next day. You are 95 per cent certain you will have the answer.

This scenario has been discovered, revealed and addressed by many vendors working in the knowledge management arena – and for good reason. The ability to find a subject matter expert quickly and get the answer to a question or assistance in solving a problem, is a key KM priority. It saves time (and money), enhances customer relationships and ensures that knowledge transfer happens to the right person at the right time. And yet we also know that tools are not the whole answer. Even the best tools will not give you a return on investment unless the employees of the company are committed to helping one another.

Employees of Digital Equipment Corporation worked in an environment that got this combination of technology and culture about right, back in the 1980s. The technology was a simple collaboration tool called Notes[1] that ran on Digital’s worldwide network, supported by the company’s VAX/VMS[2] software development tools group. Among the people who worked at Digital during that time, the nostalgia for that tool and the culture it enabled (and that enabled its success) assumes Camelot-esque proportions. Ask them what they want in a knowledge management system and they simply say, ‘Give us VAX Notes!’

and here’s an old list:

There follow some ‘faces’ that were presented in the VAXnotes sessions on the Spring Symposium of DECUS at Nashville. You will surely find them useful when discussing delicate matters ;-)


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:46 am 116
In response to selise @ 115

Frankly, I find nerdy history fascinating. But maybe that’s just me. *g*


perris | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:47 am 117
In response to klynn @ 37

Scooter not getting a pardon and the note Bush left Obama in the oval office desk might be linked…

do tell?


selise | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:48 am 118

me too. thanks. :-)

…. first started using email regularly at work in jan 1985 (when i went to work at digital equipment corp). and i was late to the online party.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:49 am 119
In response to selise @ 118

I used to regularly chat with a group of SFF writer pals on IIRC in the wayback. And it blew my mind that we could chat in real time online.

Oh, how things have progressed since then!


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:53 am 120

Forgot to mention that the chat group was an outgrowth of one that had been running on genie for ages. Evolution…


selise | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:54 am 121

Oh, how things have progressed since then!

LOL. colors, pictures, video, and bandwidth – oh my!

still, vaxnotes was great.


ChicagoTodd | Tuesday February 17, 2009 07:56 am 122

I would really like to see the media cover this as it should be — Dick Cheney only insisting on this as a CYA action. My guess is he could care less about Libbey.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 08:00 am 123
In response to ChicagoTodd @ 122

Honestly, the motivation among the players in this — and their driving needs to cover up various and sundry craptastic things? Far more fascinating than who is saying what. It is the why they are saying it that’s really the story for me.


oldtree | Tuesday February 17, 2009 08:00 am 124

agree, that picture is marvelous. Looks like him after a few days in the hole.

I still doubt the theatre aspect of this type of statement from the ol’ dick. It is bull, IMO. He needs the little fellow to plead the 5th to put him in jail, and keep shooter out. I don’t recall anyone being so upset about the lack of a pardon before? Is it possible that this is just a plea for money so scoots can leave the country to prevent so much truth coming out?
got an apartment in Dubai waiting for him? Perhaps a nice job in housekeeping services?


Peterr | Tuesday February 17, 2009 08:08 am 125

Hmmmm . . . maybe we need a “where are they now?” thread some time.

Scooter
Addington
AGAG

Funny how those closest to the mess in the White House are the least visible. After most changes in administrations, law firms and think tanks and universities are climbing all over themselves to announce that they’ve snagged this or that former White House official.

Here, though, instead of it being a feather in someone’s cap, it appears to be more of a chain around their neck. “Thanks, but we’ll pass on this for now. It’s the economy, you know — income is waaayyy down, the endowment is waaayyy down, and we couldn’t possibly pay you what you are worth. . .”


Hugh | Tuesday February 17, 2009 08:18 am 126
In response to eCAHNomics @ 21

Did you all see the drunken Japanese finance minister at G7 on Rachel last night? He had to resign today.

He’s probably the only one there who has a clue about how badly they screwed this up. So he did the sensible thing and got plastered.


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 17, 2009 08:22 am 127
In response to oldtree @ 124

Or maybe after a few days in an “undisclosed location” with Lynn. *G*


Prairie Sunshine | Tuesday February 17, 2009 08:24 am 128

Maybe Scoots is thinking about calling ol’ Fitz and offering to bring along the Visine….

Baseball season’s warming up…time to get some sand out of the umpire’s eyes?


FrankProbst | Tuesday February 17, 2009 08:43 am 129

Hmmm. I’ll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that someone–possibly the Shooter himself–promised Scooter a pardon if he took the fall, and now they’re just trying to stroke his ego because he didn’t get one.


Blub | Tuesday February 17, 2009 08:54 am 130
In response to Adie @ 69

I really doubt Dick’s getting an invite….


Blub | Tuesday February 17, 2009 08:56 am 131
In response to FrankProbst @ 129

Dumb question: even if he had gotten pardon, would his reinstatement to the bar have been a foregone conclusion or would the Bar Assoc be entitled to make its own call as to his moral and ethical suitability to be a member?


Hugh | Tuesday February 17, 2009 02:27 pm 132

A pardon is not an exoneration. So it doesn’t undo other penalties or losses which may have been suffered. Scooter could always argue that he should be re-instated but there is nothing automatic about such a decision.


bobschacht | Tuesday February 17, 2009 05:57 pm 133
In response to Waccamaw @ 96

Old marginal notes on an apocryphal sermon:
“Point weak here; speak louder.”

Have you ever noticed that when kids engage in shouting matches, the level of coherence and logic goes down as the volume level goes up?

Bob in HI


bobschacht | Tuesday February 17, 2009 06:38 pm 134
In response to demi @ 114

That’s not a change through time. If you like short comments, go to FDL Late Night. If you like long, pithy stuff, visit Emptywheel eg. comments by Mary, who by rights should have some of her comments posted as diaries but prefers to inhabit the comments instead. Also comments by selise, and others…. You’ll get to know who the wonks and wonkettes are.

Each spot on the Lake has its own community and subculture, but Jane sets the rules, and the lurking moderators keep things clean. Long may they live and prosper!

As for me, I live in Hawaii, so I am almost always late to the party, and can most often be found in EPU-land, which is FDL jargon for comments on a thread, like this one, that are posted after almost everyone has left for a newer thread.

Bob in HI

Bob in HI


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