Obama Remarks in Ft. Myers, Florida

President Obama is speaking this morning in Ft. Myers, Florida, after having had an economic event in Indiana yesterday

Florida is in a world of hurt right now with the financial crunch.

Obama’s office sent out his remarks as prepared for delivery a short while ago, and he’s currently answering questions at the rally live on MSNBC. Here are the remarks as prepared for delivery for today:

I want to start by thanking your governor, Charlie Crist, for joining us today. Governors understand our economic crisis as well as anyone; they’re on the front lines dealing with it every day. And Governor Crist shares my conviction that creating jobs and turning this economy around is a mission that transcends party. When the town is burning, we don’t check party labels. Everyone needs to grab a hose!

Governor Crist and governors across the country understand that. Mayors across the country understand that. And I think you understand that, too. Which is what I want to talk about today.

Last night, I addressed the nation to explain why I believe we need to put the economic recovery plan that is before Congress in motion as soon as possible. But during the day, I spent some time out in Indiana talking to folks. And today, I wanted to come to Florida and visit you all in Fort Myers.

You see, too often the debate in Washington tends to take the measure of our challenges in numbers and statistics. But when we say we’ve lost 3.6 million jobs since this recession began – nearly 600,000 in the past month alone; when we say that Lee County has seen its unemployment rate go from 3.5 percent to nearly 10 percent in less than two years; when we talk about the plummeting home prices and soaring foreclosure rates that have plagued this area, and layoffs at companies like Kraft Construction and Chico’s – companies that have sustained this community for years – well, we’re not just talking about faceless numbers. We’re talking about families you probably know.

We’re talking about people like Steve Adkins, who has joined us today with his wife Michelle, and their son Bailey and daughter Josie. Steve’s the president of a small construction company in Fort Myers that specializes in building and repairing schools, but work has slowed considerably. He’s done what he can to reduce overhead costs, but he’s still been forced to lay off half his workforce. And he and Michelle have made sacrifices of their own – they sold their home and moved into a smaller one.

That is what this debate is about. Folks in Fort Myers and all across the country who have lost their livelihood and don’t know what will take its place. Parents who’ve lost their health care and lie awake at night praying their kids don’t get sick. Families who’ve lost the home that was the foundation of their American dream. Young people who put that college acceptance letter back in the envelope because they just can’t afford it.

That’s what those numbers and statistics mean. That is the true measure of this economic crisis. Those are the stories I heard every time I came here to Florida and that I have carried with me to the White House.

I promised you back then that if elected President, I would do everything I could to help our communities recover. That’s why I’ve come back today – to tell you how I intend to keep that promise.

The situation we face could not be more serious. We have inherited an economic crisis as deep and as dire as any since the Great Depression. Economists from across the spectrum have warned that if we don’t act immediately, millions more jobs will disappear, and national unemployment rates will approach double digits. More people will lose their homes and their health care. And our nation will sink into a crisis that, at some point, will be much tougher to reverse.

So we simply can’t afford to wait and see and hope for the best. We can’t afford to posture and bicker and resort to the same failed ideas that got us into this mess in the first place. After all, that’s what this election was about. You rejected those ideas because you know they haven’t worked. You didn’t send us to Washington because you were hoping for more of the same, you sent us there to change things, and that is exactly what I intend to do as President of the United States.

Now, the problems that led us into this crisis are deep, and they are widespread. We need to stabilize and repair our financial system. We need to get credit flowing again to families and businesses. We need to stem the spread of foreclosures that are sweeping this country. My Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner, outlined a plan to address these challenges this morning.

We know that in order to address our economic crisis, we must address our foreclosure crisis. I know Fort Myers had the highest foreclosure rate in the nation last year. I know entire neighborhoods are studded with foreclosure signs, and families across this city feel like they’re losing their foothold in the American Dream. So we are going to do everything we can to help responsible homeowners here in Fort Myers and other hard-hit communities stay in their homes.

If we want to fully turn this crisis around, the starting point is to get people back to work right now.

Last week, we saw 1,000 men and women stand in line for only 35 Miami firefighter jobs. It’s a story repeated across the country – there’s so much demand for jobs that just aren’t there. That is both the paradox and the promise of this moment: at a time when so many Americans are looking for work, there is so much work America needs done.

That is why I put forth a recovery and reinvestment plan, and that is the simple idea at its core. It’s a plan that will save or create up to four million jobs over the next two years, ignite spending by business and consumers alike, and make the investments necessary for lasting economic growth and prosperity.

We’ll begin by ensuring that Americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own can receive greater unemployment benefits and continue their health care coverage. That means an additional $100 per month to more than 760,000 Florida workers who have lost their jobs in this recession, and extended unemployment benefits for another 170,000 folks who’ve been laid off and can’t find work.

That is not only our moral responsibility – to lend a helping hand to our fellow Americans in times of emergency – but it also makes good economic sense. If you don’t have money, you can’t spend it. And if you don’t spend it, our economy will continue to decline.

For that same reason, the plan includes $1,000 of badly-needed tax relief for middle class workers and families, putting money back in the pockets of nearly 6.9 million workers and their families here in Florida. And we’ll also provide a partially refundable $2,500 per-student tax credit to help 195,000 Florida families send their kids to college, relieving your household budgets in the short run, and rewarding America in the long run.

Most importantly, this plan will put people to work right now by making direct investments in areas like health care, energy, education, and infrastructure; investments that save jobs, create new jobs and new businesses, and help our economy grow again.

More than 90 percent of the jobs created by this plan will be in the private sector – 90 percent. And they won’t be make-work jobs; they’ll be jobs that lay the groundwork for our lasting economic growth – jobs that put people to work today preparing America for tomorrow.

Jobs building wind turbines and solar panels and fuel efficient cars; doubling our investment in clean energy, and helping end our dependence on foreign oil.

Jobs upgrading our schools, creating 21st century classrooms, libraries, and labs for millions of children across America.

Jobs computerizing our health care system, saving billions of dollars and countless lives.

Jobs constructing broadband internet lines that reach Florida’s rural schools and small businesses, so they can connect and compete with their counterparts anywhere in the world.

Jobs rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges, and repairing our dangerously deficient dams and levees so we don’t face another Katrina.

And the jobs of firefighters, teachers, nurses, and police officers that would otherwise be eliminated if we don’t provide states with some relief.

Of course, there are critics who say we can’t afford to take on these priorities. But we have postponed and neglected them for too long. And because we have, our health care still costs too much. Our schools still fail our children. Our dependence on foreign oil still threatens our economy and our security. And we’ve seen the tragic consequences when our bridges crumble and our levees fail.

They say we can’t afford to take on these tasks. But Florida, you know we can’t afford not to.

Now, I’m not going to tell you that this plan is perfect. No plan is. I also can’t tell you with one hundred percent certainty that everything in this plan will work exactly as we hope. But I can tell you with complete confidence that a failure to act in the face of this crisis will bring only deepening disaster. Doing nothing is not an option.

We’ve had a good debate, but the time for talking is over. Folks here in Fort Myers and across America need help, and the time for action is now. The Americans I’ve met understand that even with this plan, our recovery will likely be measured in years, not weeks or months – but what they don’t have patience for is more waiting on folks in Washington to get this done.

I know people are struggling. But I also know that folks here are good workers and good neighbors who step up, who help each other out, who make sacrifices when times are tough. I know that all folks are asking for is a chance to work hard – and to have that work translate into a decent life for you and your family. You’re doing your part down here – and it’s time the government did its part too.

This is a responsibility we did not ask for. But it is one we must accept for the sake of our future and our children’s. And being here in Fort Myers with all of you, I am more confident than ever before that we can and will set our differences aside, commit ourselves to the work ahead, and come together to meet the great test of our time.

Thank you. And now I’d like to open this up for questions and hear from you.


 
62 Responses to "Obama Remarks in Ft. Myers, Florida"
ThingsComeUndone | Tuesday February 10, 2009 10:28 am 1

When the town is burning, we don’t check party labels. Everyone needs to grab a hose!

Only the sane ones the House and Senate GOP however…


Bluetoe2 | Tuesday February 10, 2009 10:30 am 2

It’s a campaign speech with little substance. Americans have become so enamored with style over substance that it’s playing well with the audience. Obama says the right things but he really needs to challenge the conventional thinking that has monopolized the discussion for far too long.


ThingsComeUndone | Tuesday February 10, 2009 10:32 am 3

McCain won this county in Florida by 11? points if the GOP can’t hold the South McCain 11 points counties then this explains why the House and Senate GOP have Rush Limbaugh as their new leader.
His listeners are their ONLY support. Well that and the media.
But I expect the media to come around as more cable subscribers cancel.


Redshift | Tuesday February 10, 2009 10:37 am 4
In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 1

Yep. Most of those guys are busy putting a kink in the hose and telling us we have to be sure not to use too much water!


Jkat | Tuesday February 10, 2009 10:44 am 5

So we simply can’t afford to wait and see and hope for the best. We can’t afford to posture and bicker and resort to the same failed ideas that got us into this mess in the first place. After all, that’s what this election was about. You rejected those ideas because you know they haven’t worked. You didn’t send us to Washington because you were hoping for more of the same, you sent us there to change things, and that is exactly what I intend to do as President of the United States.

A-[by gawd]-men

sic’ ‘em …

go-bamma


Christy Hardin Smith | Tuesday February 10, 2009 10:45 am 6

Whew — crazy today here trying to keep up with everything. How are things with everyone else?


ThingsComeUndone | Tuesday February 10, 2009 10:45 am 7
In response to Bluetoe2 @ 2

First step get people’s attention get people talking about Obama’s plan.
Second show the GOP that Obama is popular on their home turf show that the Stimulus is popular.
If the GOP after that still decides to fight us then people will talk about the issues more.
Which is what I want to but first Obama has to take a stand the GOP must fight and then the public will get engaged.
Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis,


Bluetoe2 | Tuesday February 10, 2009 10:51 am 8
In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 7

Very nice.


pajarito | Tuesday February 10, 2009 11:26 am 9

Peanuts! Get yur Peanuts!

–sorry, OT


pajarito | Tuesday February 10, 2009 11:27 am 10

Redshift | Tuesday February 10, 2009 12:03 pm 11
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 6

Not bad. I suppose it’s a good day to be too busy with work to even try to keep up with everything. <g>


bobschacht | Tuesday February 10, 2009 01:19 pm 12
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 6

Christy,
From work, I can only drop in now and then. I really appreciate your blogging on this. I’m putting your blog on my regular rotation of FDLake sites to visit.

Aloha,
Bob in HI


barbara | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:13 pm 13
In response to Redshift @ 4

Not likely. Conservatives do not conserve.


barbara | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:17 pm 14
In response to Christy Hardin Smith @ 6

Brother back in hospital again, fighting yet another health battle. Meanwhile, MN and USA GOP-geniuses slashing budgets for services for people with disabilities. What’s wrong with this picture? (gnashing of teeth)


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:20 pm 15
In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 7

Very Hegelian.

On the other hand, if it works, who cares?

I went home for lunch and turned on CNN. The usual faux-conservative ‘thuglican WATBs were on, whining about how this isn’t bi-partisan.

Their apparent definition of bi-partisan is, “What we want, all of what we want, and none of what is necessary.”

Have I mentioned today how much I hate those people. And they are still on with noun-as-adjective Democrat bullshit. If you can’t speak English, you can’t hold Federal office. Period. End of sentence.

Had that been in effect, no Dim Son, eh?


klynn | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:21 pm 16

Christy,

Thanks for this post.

I have been asking why Obama’s stimulus has not included more infrastructure spending due to the price tag the Governors turn over in December for shovel-ready projects. This has really nagged at me. Thus, I did some research and have been posting what I find.

I would appreciate any comments you might have on my latest information on the Homeland Security Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank diary post.


AZ Matt | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:25 pm 17
In response to barbara @ 14

Republicans to Barbara: Those disabled people are faking it! They’re feeding at the public trough!


AZ Matt | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:25 pm 18
In response to AZ Matt @ 17

That didn’t work?!


John | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:25 pm 19

O.T. but heads up: the Dems are going to REMOVE the CEO pay cap on a bullshit excuse. Check out TPM, they’re the only site that has this report so far.

Evil. Reason enough to kill the entire stimulus bill, IMHO. I’ve never been so angry.


perris | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:29 pm 20
In response to John @ 19

they need to fire these guys not reward them

obama is not doing as well as I expected and I was not that optimistic in the first place


perris | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:30 pm 21
In response to barbara @ 13

that’s quite the bumber sticker right there barbara, well done


Leen | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:33 pm 22
In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 1

3.6 million jobs damn


foothillsmike | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:34 pm 23

Why is it that we still have $50billion in nucler building programs. Nuclear has tripled in cost just since the beginning of 2007. It is not a competitively viable energy source and it presents an environmental hazard and potential catastrophe.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/10-9


cinnamonape | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:40 pm 24

Question: If Congress cuts or pares the tax-breaks (for example on the $15K credit for taxes on homes) that clearly were inserted by those who aren’t even supporting this bill (Georgia Pug Johnnie Isaakson?)…can this money then be redistributed as a “pay-as-you-go” to another part of the package) to allow the bill to have a simple majority to pass?

Or maybe as subsequent Amendment Bills? For example, after the bill passes and is signed could the House then have a bill that kills the element that is the tax-credit for those simply moving between homes (rather than first time new homeowners). That would then mean that there was money reduced FROM the budget and a program that relates to school construction could be substituted instead. My understanding such a bill…because it is revenue-neutral, would then only require a simple majority. One could trim out quite a bit of the perks used, unsuccessfully, to make this appeal to the Republicans, and then slap them and say “you made us add these things in for your votes…they cost money that could have been applied to more useful programs…we’ll substitute a revenue-neutral alternative.”

I guess they could filibuster in the Senate…but this would definitely make for an interesting debate as the Republicans would have to justify giving to the rich while taking from the poor. Item by item. One producing jobs…the other hoping for the wealthy to spend the money in the proper paternalistic way to allow it to sometime, someday to trickle down their leg.


Knut | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:41 pm 25

These road trips are absolutely critical to his Presidency. The economy is caving, and it is going to keep caving for a long time. We don’t know how long. And we are only now getting a glimpse of how fast. If, s I expect, we start to see Depression-levels of unemployment, the stress will stretch this nation’s fabric to the tearing point. Obama needs to bond with the American people, and bond quickly before the nutjobs start promoting their fascist solutions.


cinnamonape | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:43 pm 26
In response to John @ 19

Isn’t the CEO pay cap in both bills. My understanding is that anything IN both bills cannot be cut…and something NOT in either bill must be subject for a new vote in both Houses.

This would seem to be an Amendment that was in neither bill. It can’t be suddenly approved by a reconciliation Committee.


barbara | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:43 pm 27
In response to AZ Matt @ 17

I know. Grrrrrrr!


foothillsmike | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:50 pm 28
In response to cinnamonape @ 24

Tweety interviewed Spector and Collins a little while ago. His position was basically that the bottom line was the overall cost


foothillsmike | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:52 pm 29
In response to foothillsmike @ 28

and Collins agreed with Spector


sad4america | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:52 pm 30
In response to klynn @ 16

Infrastructure has been neglected in this country and I believe it should have a substantial place in this bill because it does create work. It creates work but not jobs, once the work is done their is no more job, it is temporary a stopgap at best. The worker knows this and won’t live and spend like it isn’t temp. Obama used a reference to the “lost Decade” referring to Japan during the 90’s. He was either misinformed or just choose to lie about what the Japanese did. They had 8 some stimulus packages that almost entirely centered around infrastructure and it never lead them out of the recession. The GOP’s push for tax cuts comes from historical evidence that it doesn’t in fact work (another stretch or lied stated in Obama’s speech).
Business tax cuts along with individual and capital gains tax cuts leaves more money in the private sector and more importantly encourages investment by lowing the risk factors associated with investments. This allows companies to expand and grow which leads to the hiring of more workers. This leads to more taxable income for the government to properly fund programs as well. Capital gains tax cuts are similar and many people benefit, not just those making the investments. Just using stock investments, the activity grows and the price tends to be stable and rising which benefits people who put money into their retirement accounts and those who are living in retirement using their accounts. This comes full circle to them spending more money in the economy as a whole which continues the prosperity cycle.


bobschacht | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:53 pm 31
In response to Knut @ 25

At least the road trips drag the DC Press Corps beyond the Beltway and the Kool-Aid, and away from the incestuous punditocracy. That has to be a good thing!

Bob in HI


Bluetoe2 | Tuesday February 10, 2009 02:57 pm 32
In response to bobschacht @ 31

Too bad the Beltway brahmins and Village Kool Kids can’t be left by the side of the road never to return to D.C..


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:05 pm 33
In response to bobschacht @ 31

Hey Bob,

You had a statistics question a while back that we never got to. Do you recall what it was?


SouthernDragon | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:08 pm 34
In response to sad4america @ 30

This allows companies to expand and grow which leads to the hiring of more workers.

Yep. Business and capital gains tax cuts allow companies to expand and hire workers to produce commodities that upwards of 13% of the population can’t buy because they have neither job nor money. Losing 500K jobs a month is going to be remedied by tax cuts. Right.

I had hopes for you the other day. Now, not so much. Same ol’ Rethug bullshit. Buh bye.


sad4america | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:08 pm 35
In response to foothillsmike @ 23

Nuclear power is much safer than believed. France is 80% powered by it and they are scared to even mention the word war so how could Nuclear power be that frightening. We have come a long way since we last pushed it’s power. In the history of Nuclear power their have been only around 300 deaths in nuclear plants mostly at Chernobyl and 3 mile island. There are more deaths in manufacturing plants easily yearly. Americans are largely fearful because they don’t know that much about it and proper information would help ease their fears and see the benefits far outweigh the negatives. Storing of the waste seems to be one of the biggest issues. First it doesn’t take 30 feet of cement outside of 10 feet of steel to hold it and secondly the amounts of waste compared to power produce dwarfs almost any alternative if not all. How about wing you ask well consider how many wind turbines must be put up to produce the same amount of energy a one small nuclear plant and you’ll see your answer. It is a viable solution that deserves a fair amount of time for conversation and implimentation


sad4america | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:15 pm 36

I’m not saying that tax cuts are all that is needed. I believe that is the main driver because it keep more money in the market and for the businesses and people. A stopgap of unemployment benefits extensions, infrastructure projects and assistance to the state will help solidify but it doesn’t need to be complicated as it seems to be. Study the Japanese from the 90’s and compare it to the tax cuts of the 80’s by the US and just view some of the differences. No plans are perfect but tax cuts seem to be more effective over the long haul


NorskeFlamethrower | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:16 pm 37

Firepup Freedom Fighters:

DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!!!


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:20 pm 38
In response to sad4america @ 30

Are you parroting Stephen Colbert’s Talking Points?

Explain to me what the difference is between a ‘job’ and ‘work’? Is it a career? Maybe. Maybe not. If it’s to be a career, then we need a substantial trade education component in the infrastructure ‘work.’


SouthernDragon | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:21 pm 39
In response to NorskeFlamethrower @ 37

I know s/he’s a troll. Ran across it the other day. Had to put in a parting shot, though. Silly fuck thinks nobody here is payin’ attention to anything. We’re just a bunch of rich lefties with nothin’ better to do than play at politics. K


Hugh | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:24 pm 40
In response to sad4america @ 36

Tax cuts have little stimulative value. 3 1/2 times less than direct spending at least. Tax cuts in a bad economy when you want to create jobs are a waste of money.


Hugh | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:26 pm 41

Obama has two major problems: His stimulus has less than a third of the stimulative effect it needs and his Treasury Secretary who is manage the financial side of the crisis is a git.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:26 pm 42
In response to sad4america @ 36

Income tax cuts are not effective over either the long or short term.

We’ve tried this before, under St Ronnie of Raygun and under George H. W. Bush. Trickle-down economics is more aptly named piss-on economics.

If you want a tax cut that will work, declare a moratorium on FICA (payroll taxes) for the first $40,000 of income per worker. Extend the tax to all income (no $90,000 cutoff). This accomplishes two things: first, it puts another 8.5% or so in every worker’s pocket on their first 40K of income. Second, it reduces the cost of labor to employers (slightly). That makes it cheaper to hire people to do work.


RevBev | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:29 pm 43
In response to barbara @ 14

Barbara, Prayers and hugs. My best for your brother and sorry for your stress. Take it easy, B


roand | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:49 pm 44

Great interview this morning by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! She spent more than 15 minutes with economist James Galbraith getting his views on the stimulus plan. He is not fond of the Obama team’s approach, but he acknowledges the politics of the process. Good listening or viewing on the DN website.


sad4america | Tuesday February 10, 2009 03:58 pm 45
In response to Hugh @ 40

We are not just spending though, we were on the gold standard during the Great Depression and we didn’t borrow money to Stimulate. We had the money we invested so that is different and also if you look at that time FDR raised taxes continually and it worsened the depression and slowed the recovery. Look at the unemployment number through 1929 through 1938 in the US compared to the world unemployment rate. Why should we put money into the government and let them decide where the money goes. It costs a lot more for government to do work and spend money than it is for the private sector so leave more of it in their hands


sad4america | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:13 pm 46
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 38

If I hire a contractor to put a driveway on my property, that is work. Once he or she is done he or she no longer gets paid. In essence they are out of work again and must find more work. At the plastics mill I work at they have a certain type of machine that is booked with work and can’t take on anymore but they would like to convert a similar machine over but it would take money and then the business that is there for the taking on that machine could come in and people hired for the foreseeable future to run this machine and handle the orders. With a business tax cut they would have the understanding that the government is gonna leave the tax cut for a understood period of time. They can then have the faith to make this investment and hire these workers. If unemployment goes down as people are hired to do these construction projects their is still no long-term promise of favorable economic conditions because the work created is just guaranteed until the job is done (granted that investors are still willing to buy US debt). Government can not sustain its spending that would keep people with a never ending list of jobs. I think too many people believe that all countries are like the US operating on a deficit and a never ending supply of debt-buyers are out there, there are not. This of course doesn’t even consider in the inflationary pressure that it puts on the dollar. Yes other countries having bailouts will alleviate some of the pressure but our debt is rising even faster. I’m being told that tax cuts won’t help the now 7.6% of the unemployed because they have no money but won’t it be even worse if inflation starts to take hold and the cost of necessities rises even faster?


sad4america | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:23 pm 47
In response to SouthernDragon @ 39

I am not ignorant I am learning more every day thank you very much. Sorry is some of my sarcasm was unnoticed by you I understand your frustration, inflection is hard to type. I continue to see different points of view and understand different thought processes but ( and maybe I and just not seeing clearly enough or I am thinking too deeply or not deep enough) I have yet to be persuaded that many of my view points are illogical. I try to go into example and show my thought process as much as possible. I use stats just as much as the next guy but stats can be contorted to means a lot of things. Please continue to elaborate so I can understand the flaws in my logic.

P.S. Name calling doesn’t show conviction in your own thought process, it just causes me to see weakness or extreme frustration from not being able to clearly explain your point of view, but that is just how I was raised….. You can’t win a debate when you lose your cool


acquarius74 | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:30 pm 48
In response to roand @ 44

Link is to Amy Goodman’s interview with James Galbraith, Bankrupt Banks should be declared insolvent….

Galbraith is of the same thinking as Krugman, Stiglitz, Roubini


ShotoJamf | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:36 pm 49
In response to sad4america @ 30

Typical “supply side” orthodoxy. The problem is that the “tax-cut-being-the-cure-to-everything-that-ails-us” meme has been so thoroughly discredited that any suggestion of it at this point is either taken as a joke or as horrifying ignorance.

We’re all the way through the looking glass and the same old arguments just don’t fly any longer. For a little primer on the tax thing, go here:

http://www.motherjones.com/new…..erapy.html


acquarius74 | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:37 pm 50

Link tool not working right. DemocracyNow.org link below (I hope)

http://www.democracynow.org/20….._out_banks


acquarius74 | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:38 pm 51
In response to acquarius74 @ 50

Well, just Google: http://www.democracynow.org


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:40 pm 52
In response to sad4america @ 46

You didn’t answer my question. What are the differences among the following:

A job.

Work.

A career.


ShotoJamf | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:46 pm 53
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 52

A job: What the rightwingers object to including in any “stimulus package”

Work: Something most of these rightwingers have never heard of.

A Career: What William Kristol has as a columnist for the NYT.

Wait…He got whacked out of that “career” thing. Never mind.


ShotoJamf | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:48 pm 54
In response to acquarius74 @ 51

Galbraith’s interview is pretty good, alright. Thanks.


sad4america | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:53 pm 55
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 52

Sorry I wasn’t clear enough. no detail I guess
Work = A job that has a start and a finish with no security implied, short-term

Job = Employment through an employer or yourself that where the end of the employment is determined by the employees decision, but of course firing could happen for a variety of reasons.

Career = I didn’t really talk about but I guess I would consider that more of a field of work. It really had no place in my arguement so i didn’t see a reason for elaboration. Just job and work was the two that needed explaination in this context


klynn | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:56 pm 56

Hey Hugh,

WRT the interesting traffic here, I would appreciate any comments you might have to share on my link at 16, if you have any time. Thanks

In regards to jobs, one of my favorite quotes:

“I’ve got one job on this ship. It’s a stupid job but I’m going to do it. Okay?!”

– Lt. Tawny Madison, Galaxy Quest

I love how Sigourney Weaver plays this character.


ShotoJamf | Tuesday February 10, 2009 04:59 pm 57
In response to klynn @ 56

That line by Weaver may be the best one in the whole picture. I laughed out loud when she said it.


sad4america | Tuesday February 10, 2009 05:13 pm 58
In response to ShotoJamf @ 49

- By contrast, the preamble to the Constitution tells us the nation’s reason for being in 52 words that can be reduced to six principles: society, justice, peace, security, commonwealth, and freedom. Individual riches don’t make the list. They are a product of American society, not its guiding purpose.-

When the government takes control of something “for us” some of our freedom is taken away and that IS what happens. Parents make the rules for their kids because they are the ones who feed them and pay their bills and give them food, cloths, and a house.

Look at India…. Many companies went over there. Why might you ask??? Because they have extremely low taxes for businesses. This brought the companies in to build buildings and develop their country. Instead of getting a few companies with average tax rates they got a lot of companies which developed their cities (Dubai) to cutting edge, put their people to work and by having so much business still have a large tax income stream because of the amount of businesses and people working there.

I’m not saying the tax code is perfect far from it, but Obama should do like he said and use the scalpel and cut ineffective programs and put that money to pay off the debt and run more efficient programs

The alternative to tax cuts is raising taxes which FDR did in the New Deal. He actually raised the taxes to 100% on people making more than $25,000. He said all excesses must be paid to the government in order for us to succeed. Without incentive people will not work, if the government gives you free money to cover all your expenses when you don’t work what is the incentive to work and strive to succeed.


Bluetoe2 | Tuesday February 10, 2009 05:30 pm 59
In response to sad4america @ 58

grasshopper, it would be in your best interest to read Howard Zinn’s history of the U.S. rather than rely on Rush Limbaugh as your source of history.


sad4america | Tuesday February 10, 2009 05:40 pm 60

I’ll look into Howard Zinn. I always like to look at different sources and opinions. I do listen to Rush occasionally for 15 min. at lunch but switch between that and the Clark Howard show. I take everything I hear from any source with a grain of salt because almost any source has an agenda. It is ridiculous, I live by most of what I talk about and it so far has worked out for me. I love that my future is in my hands, extreme inflation among a couple other extremes could take that power away from me but I try to make conscious decisions in order to give myself the best future possible.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday February 10, 2009 06:20 pm 61
In response to sad4america @ 55

Doesn’t meet the dictionary definitions. But thanks for playing, you can pick up your consolation prizes at the door.

By your definition, a building contractor has work, not a job, and certainly not a career. In fact, by your definition a physician has work, not a job.


KayInMaine | Tuesday February 10, 2009 06:26 pm 62

Great post Christy! Thanks so much.


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